Keen stacking

[DarkJester]

I wish they had named the haste partial action (as they did the haste bonus to ac)

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Actually, yes, by the rules It appears that they would stack. Again, Not that I allow it. When I read it, that's what I first thought.
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It doesn't make much sense I know, It's just one of those things I've got stuck in my head. Started off thinking everything stacked, then for a while was confused and thought nothing stacked..and now ....ugh.


So we have "Like effects do not stack" from the sage.
Which again brings the question:
What exactly is a like effect defined as in the game?

 

[Kraedin]

Summary of stacking rules:

• Like bonuses don't stack, except dodge and circumstance.
• A spell never stacks with itself.
• Like penalties don't stack.

Keen edge and keen are not:

• bonuses
• penalties
• the same spell (one of them isn't even a spell.)

So, keen edge and keen are cumulative. If they wanted them not to stack, it would have been very, very easy. For example:

Keen: This enhancement doubles the theat range of a weapon, as though by the spell keen edge.

Or,

Keen: This enhancement doubles the threat range of a weapon, and is not cumulative with the spell keen edge.

Or something to that effect.

 

[kreynolds]

Actually, yes, by the rules It appears that they would stack.

Care to demonstrate?

What exactly is a like effect defined as in the game?

Just ask yourself this...

If it's a named bonus, do the bonuses have different names? If the answer is "yes", then they stack. Remember to watch out for those bonuses that do stack with each other, like Dodge.

If it's just a wierd effect, do the effects look the same? If the answer is "yes", then they don't stack (unless it states otherwise, of course).

Speed weapons and Haste are the proof in the pudding. They are not named bonuses, but they are similar effects, and they don't stack, just as Boots of Speed and Haste don't stack.

 

[Kraedin]

It's dodge and circumstance bonuses, not dodge and luck.

The reason a weapon of speed and haste are not cumulative is because it says so in the enhancement description, not because of stacking rules.

 

[kreynolds]

It's dodge and circumstance bonuses, not dodge and luck.

Yup. Just noticed that. I still haven't woken up.

The reason a weapon of speed and haste are not cumulative is because it says so in the enhancement description, not because of stacking rules.

Yet they are like effects, thus they don't stack. This isn't that complicated. *shrug*

 

[Kraedin]

Aren't you one of the people who argue that weapons of speed stack with each other?

 

[DarkJester]

That helps a bit.

The thing that originally through me off was the Haste vs Weapons of Speed thing. Weapons of speed specficily say they don't stack with haste. Nothing else does (I'm probly wrong on saying that).

So:

The same spell won't stack with itself. So this takes boots of speed/ haste out of the equation as the boots read: "Act as though hasted" with haste being in italics, thus meaning it is refering to the spell.

The Keen enchantment never mentions the keen spell in its description. It has it in its requirements to make, but then again, to make a flamming sword you need to cast fireball so it doesn't mean that it gives the exact effect. BUT the result is exactly the same (every aspect of the spell is granted by the enchantment) and can be put under the like effects "clause" ?

 

[Kraedin]

Yet they are like effects, thus they don't stack. This isn't that complicated. *shrug*

They don't stack because it says so in the description. There is no other reason. None. Nada. Nothing.

 

[kreynolds]

Aren't you one of the people who argue that weapons of speed stack with each other?

Holy !$#, NO!!!!! Where did you ever get that idea?

EDIT: Oh wait, do you mean two weapons of speed stacking with each other? (I thought you meant speed weapons and haste at first. Phew!) Yes. They stack, and the Sage has confirmed this, just like he confirmed that Keen and Keen Edge don't stack.

 

[1337 h4xor]

this logic is terrible hard to follow so stay with me



boots of springing and striding dont stack with epiditious retreat

haste does not stack with weapons of speed

bracers of blinding strike dont stack with weapons of speed

keen wespons dont stack with keen edge

girdles of strength dont stack with bulls strength


hmmmm.... a spell used to create an item doesnt stack with another instance of the spell.... how bizarre. Use a little logic here buddy. Most of the items i mentioned dont specifically say they dont stack i guess they just assumed people could figure things out for themselves sometimes.