Keen stacking

[Xeriar]

You're using the wrong defination. The real defination of bonus is DMG 177, Chart 8-1. But even there the term isn't fully defined, anyway. (Mostly because, I think, some issues with stacking non nemueric bonuses, like speed bonuses and, had not yet been noticed. (For instance, there's a mention of Expedious Retreat(PH 202) providing an enhancemnt bonus to movement speed, even though according to that chart enhancement is limited to Weapons, Armor, and ability scores.)

This has been officially clarified in the D&D FAQ too - a monk's speed past 50 is enhancement, boots of striding and springing are enhancement, expedious retreat is enhancement, etc.

I thought the Keen and Keen Edge were clarified as well, but this really doesn't seem an arguement worth getting into.

 

[Destil]

This has been officially clarified in the D&D FAQ too - a monk's speed past 50 is enhancement, boots of striding and springing are enhancement, expedious retreat is enhancement, etc.

I thought the Keen and Keen Edge were clarified as well, but this really doesn't seem an arguement worth getting into.

Cool, now as soon as they start making it eratta... It was fairly evedent that that's what's in the spirit of the rules, at least.

 

[1337 h4xor]

• Sorry, the're cumulative.
• That's right, because the rules say so.
• I don't have any book with that item, so I'll take your word for it.
• Nope, cumulative again.
• Yup, they both give enhancement bonuses.

sorry you're wrong, do you enjoy making the same argument over and over again no matter how many time you're proven to be wrong.

 

[kreynolds]

pst...hey...1337 h4xor...you forgot a question mark. Just tryin' ta' help. *sneaks away*

 

[Kraedin]

sorry you're wrong, do you enjoy making the same argument over and over again no matter how many time you're proven to be wrong.

You're aware that you have not presented any evidence, nor any argument, right? Maybe you should try that before declaring me wrong. All you've done so far is made some poorly spelled, poorly punctuated posts that state things with no logical or factual support.

 

[Crothian]

You're aware that you have not presented any evidence, nor any argument, right? Maybe you should try that before declaring me wrong. All you've done so far is made some poorly spelled, poorly punctuated posts that state things with no logical or factual support.

Other then Keen spell and keen ability (the same as a permanent keen spell) are the same, and it won't stack with itself?

 

[Kraedin]

Crothian- I was talking to leet hacker, not you. Sorry for any offence. I'll respond to your post anyway, of course.

I'm going to use an illustrative example. We're going to compare keen, boots of speed, and boots of levitation.

Keen: This enchantment doubles the treat range of a weapon. For instance, if it is placed on a longsword, the keen longsword scores a threat on a 17-20. Only slashing and piercing weapons can be enhanted to be keen. (Some text ommited.)

Boots of Speed: On command, these boots enable the wearer to act as though hasted for up to 10 rounds each day. The duration of the haste need not be consecutive rounds.

Boots of Levitation: These leather boots allow the wearer to levitate as if she had cast levitate on herself.

Note that in the example of keen, the effects of the enhancement are described, with no reference to the spell keen edge. In the other examples, however, it is clear that the effect of the item is to cast the spell upon the user. What this means is that the keen weapon enhancement does not cast the spell on the weapon, but instead evokes a similar effect. Now, look back at my summary of the stacking rules on page 1. This effect is not a bonus, is not a penalty, and is not the same spell, therefore, it stacks.

 

[kreynolds]

Wierd. Has anybody ever noticed if you leave meatloaf out overnight you end up with one of those bricks you use to start fires in your fireplace by coating it with charcoal fluid? And it's all colorful too. And heavy! Damn!!

That's just freaky.

 

[Kraedin]

I like meatloaf.

 

[Crothian]

No offence taken. I know you where talking to him, I just thought I'd stick my nose back in this thread

They key piece is that Keen Edge is used to create the item.

Also, there are other critical increasing class abilities (like the one in the Disciple of Dispater I posted earlier in the thread) that specifically say " This ability does not stack with the keen weapon quality, but it does stack with improved critical feat." If the spell and the weapon quality did stack, these class abilities would also have tpo state if they stack with that. Not clear cut evidence, but it shows that they don't stack.