D&D General Kobold Press Going Down a Dark Road

[Parmandur]

More tone it down I guess… I am not sure why you have to complain 10+ times a day, I am pretty sure we all know your stance by now. I am not sure what you think you are accomplishing with it

Hey, man, we all need hobbies, some of us just like screaming incoherently into the void.

 

[Reef]

So if you have problems, take it to the survey and shut up about it here? Is that what you're saying?

There’s nothing wrong with wanting to discuss the changes. But:

1). You are on record as having said you are tired of discussing the play tests, as opposed to talking about other D&D topics (despite continuing to engage in the play test discussions)
2) Your discussion of the changes seems to amount to “They aren’t giving me what I want. They still aren’t giving me what I want. Is everyone aware I’m not getting what I want?”.

There’s nothing there to engage with you on. It’s not a discussion, just a continual statement of disinterest.

 

[Maxperson]

then what does this list prove?

That they have far, far FAR less disposable income than even the 18-24 crowd, and that crowd has at best half of the next three categories through age 65(can't remember exact 60's number).

And you still have to overcome the hurdle that 5-10% of their available money is all they need to buy every single D&D book published in a year

What hurdle? Even if that 25% buys those books, they don't outnumber the other 75% with tons more money to buy books.

 

[Maxperson]

no, it was grognards are not important enough to cater to them. I understand why you have given up on that one without acknowledging having done so however

I don't know what you are talking about. I never said you should cater to them and I still don't think you should. There is quite literally nothing for me to give up on.

 

[Parmandur]

That they have far, far FAR less disposable income than even the 18-24 crowd, and that crowd has at best half of the next three categories through age 65(can't remember exact 60's number).

What hurdle? Even if that 25% buys those books, they don't outnumber the other 75% with tons more money to buy books.

Having money doesn't mean spending it on a specific thing. Businesses are going to focus on where they actually make money.

 

[mamba]

What hurdle? Even if that 25% buys those books, they don't outnumber the other 75% with tons more money to buy books.

The hurdle where you kept insisting they do not have the money to afford the books at all, or are you conceding that now and retreat to ‘but 75% of players still purchase more than the other 25%’?

I don’t think anyone ever disagreed with that

 

[mamba]

I don't know what you are talking about. I never said you should cater to them and I still don't think you should. There is quite literally nothing for me to give up on.

cool, but that is what you joined the discussion on by replying to my post which itself was a refutation of the ‘D&D needs to cater to grognards’ point.

Seems we are in agreement on this then

 

[Maxperson]

The hurdle where you kept insisting they do not have the money to afford the books at all

That's not a claim that I ever made. Not once did I say that none of them could or would buy books. My claim has always been that they are not driving the sales and that the other groups spend more than they do. They are 3x larger with several times my disposable income.

 

[Maxperson]

cool, but that is what you joined the discussion on by replying to my post which itself was a refutation of the ‘D&D needs to cater to grognards’ point.

Seems we are in agreement on this then

I see the confusion. People in this thread were conflating grognards with the older players with the money. I stepped in to argue against that and for the ones spending the most on the game.

 

[mamba]

That's not a claim that I ever made. Not once did I say that none of them could or would buy books.

are you sure about that, or are you now trying to emphasize the ‘none’ bit a lot more than previously

Sure, but if you focus on the young people with no money to the exclusion of the older ones with money, you go out of business.

25% are 17- and they have pretty much no disposable income.