Large White Dragon (Young)

[dm4hire]

Sweet, now just need to get this into the awesome PDF that was done along with the Pit Fiend and we'll be set.

 

[Derren]

Seems that the people who hoped for more bestial dragons are out of luck considering that even the lowest white dragon now has an Int of 10.

 

[Revinor]

I don't see that. You'll still be able to add class levels, advance them, apply a template or surround them with minions.

You can add class levels to monsters in 4e?

 

[erf_beto]

You can add class levels to monsters in 4e?

I don't know about that, but you can pretty much do anything you want as long as you're the DM.

 

[keterys]

Yes, you can add class levels. And templates. And add whatever you want.

 

[D.Shaffer]

Seems that the people who hoped for more bestial dragons are out of luck considering that even the lowest white dragon now has an Int of 10.

Yes, but since it doesnt have a 10 line list of spell like abilities, including alarm, mage hand, messenger, and shapechange at will, it's obviously there as nothing more then PC fodder, right?

 

[Derren]

Yes, but since it doesnt have a 10 line list of spell like abilities, including alarm, mage hand, messenger, and shapechange at will, it's obviously there as nothing more then PC fodder, right?

Yes, when the players play smart and don't simply follow the DM carrot and hack at everything in the way but instead use more creative solutions than simple combat to overcome their enemies.

 

[Saitou]

Or you could just band lower-level dragons together. Multiple solo baddies as a single encounter? yes plz

 

[Mirtek]

Hopefully WoTC learns how to better utilize the bases on 4e. All of the "big" dragons are way too big for their bases resulting in a lot of wasted plastic and size. If it's body doesn't fit on the base, it's too big.

Or the base is too small. That's one of the big problem of the fixed size=squares relation on the battlemat. The D&D size categorations just can't handle really large things. There was one really colossal extraplanar beast in a Dungeon adventures that had a whole outpost build on it's back yet still only covered 10x10 squares on a battlemat (despite the outpost on it's back having it's own map on which you could clearly see that a space between it's hind- and forelegs already meassured 11 squares)

 

[JoeGKushner]

Or the base is too small. That's one of the big problem of the fixed size=squares relation on the battlemat. The D&D size categorations just can't handle really large things. There was one really colossal extraplanar beast in a Dungeon adventures that had a whole outpost build on it's back yet still only covered 10x10 squares on a battlemat (despite the outpost on it's back having it's own map on which you could clearly see that a space between it's hind- and forelegs already meassured 11 squares)

It's a problem a lot of the 'large' creatures have too. The differences between the giants, ogres and trolls are terrible. Part of it is that everything must be 'square'.