D&D 5E LL- Subclasses and Complexity

[Weather Report]

My groups didn't think so, and all used it once we had access to it.

The OG 1e monk was just too weak overall; it was that d4 HD IMHO. Even with 2 HD at level 1... the monk just couldn't hang on the front lines.

Yeah, and if you used the Thieve's combat table, the DMG later changed it to the Cleric's.

 

[pemerton]

My groups didn't think so, and all used it once we had access to it.

The OG 1e monk was just too weak overall; it was that d4 HD IMHO. Even with 2 HD at level 1... the monk just couldn't hang on the front lines.

Definitely agree about the weakness of the PHB monk. My thoughts about the perhaps a little OP-edness of the revised monk are very old, and so I haven't tested their validity recently. They might also be based on comparisons to thieves and fighters rather than clerics and MUs!