Lord of the Rings is the new Star Wars

Dakkareth

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... I am speaking of course of Peter Jackson's movies, not of the book. It hardly makes sense otherwise, doesn't it?

It is 4:32am and I just finished watching all three movies in a row, again. This post is about what I realized when I went for a walk between the first and the second part:

The Lord of the Rings movies are to me, what the Star Wars movies are to the generation before me. An integral part of the childhood/growing up experience. Something that has greatly influenced me. Something that is very important to me, which I will remember and hold in great esteem for many years to come. And of course this relationship may seem just as irrational to others as the love of Star Wars may seem.

Of course, the Star Wars phenomenon doesn't encompass a whole generation - it is far from being universal. But it has had a huge impact, this cannot be denied. I do not know, how great the influence of the LotR movies is/will be, but for me at least it certainly holds true. I see a similar thing in my sisters and I imagine there are many more.

I was 15, when FotR appeared in cinemas. I had heard of it half a year before and was the one to drag the family - who had like me read the books before - there. It was a revelation of sorts. I had not believed it possible to make a good movie conversion of LotR. But there it was, in a kind of quality in the execution I'd never seen before. It was, simply said, a fantastic movie. It was, for us, a conversion.

For this I might be stoned here, but I have only read the book once and it didn't do much for me. I read it mostly, because it was referred to everywhere, because everybody said it was good. And indeed, there were great parts, incredible world-building I would call it today, but it didn't particularily inspire me. A nice, if at times longish, read, but no more. I continue to lack the time to do another read, this time in English and including the Silmarillion, but I will do it eventually. Because the movies gave me a vision of Tolkien's works, that I couldn't see when I read it - maybe because I was too young at the time, maybe because it was too deeply hidden between long description and below the surface.

Now the movies ... fantasy that isn't a cheap flick full of stupid costumes, bad tricks, a stupid story and compressed into one and a half hour for the viewer's convenience. Instead, the very opposite of that. Twelve hours may not be 'enough' to capture everything, but it is infinitely better than anything before. I'm not even going to talk about the other technical aspects. In short, I was in love.

Since then we waited for the following parts every year and the special extended DVD after that. It became a fixed part of Christmas. In december, when school winds down, it's time for the Lord of the Rings. We have held on to this in the past two years, after the LotR releases had ended, too - watching the movies together from DVD is a must. And even with me leaving for university now, I expect that when I visit the family on Christmas, we will watch the movies together. It has become part of my life thus. One of my sisters has even become a real 'fan' - wearing a ring-with-chain, attempting to learn elvish at one point, etc. She's quite crazy, which is why she and I get along so well.

Anyway, it's this feeling that made me draw the comparison to Star Wars. I have never felt a connection to THOSE movies and from what I have heard from others, who watch the original movies now, it's similar - no particular impression. The reasons most often cited are, that the then-stellar technology is laughable today and, second, that for us (by which I mean people like me, who are too young to have witnessed it back then or simply haven't seen it for other reasons= Star Wars isn't part of the 'good old days of childhood' experience.

LotR is similar - the technology was utterly fantastic two years ago and still top-notch now, but in 20 years (and probably much earlier) it might be laughed off as antiquated. And, as I already said, it hit me at about the same age today's old SW-fans probably saw Star Wars for the first time. And of course, like any fan I am willing to either dispute or accept almost any perceived flaw, be they intrinsic to the movie or in the translation from the book.



Thus, my hypothesis. Please forgive me, if I'm being incoherent (looking through the post I realize I am, but oh well ...), it's rather late. And of course, it may be old news, but I just realized this today and this being the internet I'm damn well going to post about it ;).

I bid you good night,

Dakkareth
 

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Heh, I was thinking about that, too. Though I suspect, it won't take 25 years until someone does The Hobbit. And whoever does it, the possibility of utterly offending me is certainly there ;).
 

They didn't ruin everything for me.

I don't see LOTR being the new Star Wars. It has not had the impact on the pop culture that Star Wars had. I heard people say The Matrix was the new Star Wars. Some may say The X-men. I doubt a series of movies will ever live up to Star Wars. This is just my opinion.
 

I don't really think the LotR movies are the 'new Star Wars'. In fact, I'm not all that sure how to define that, in the first place. But I don't think that the LotR movies have had anywhere near the kind of impact that the Star Wars movies did when they came out. They just changed so much, a huge amount of it on the how movies are made side of things, too. And while LotR is extremely innovative and definitely great movies, they just didn't have that kind of dramatic effect on even the industry itself.

And really, Star Wars was the LotR for the Sci-Fi genre(despite it being more Space Opera/Science Fantasy). So you've kind of got it backwards.

Oh, and I'm about your age, Dakkareth, and I STILL grew up with Star Wars. :)
 

Aeson said:
I doubt a series of movies will ever live up to Star Wars. This is just my opinion.

Agreed. IMO, Episode III is the greatest movie of all time. The strange thing is that even though I saw I & II four times each in the theatre, I've only seen III once. I'm not even sre that I'll even get the DVD. The answers I was looking for in the Star Wars universe were all answered. We've known the "what" for years. Now, we know how. It's almost like closing the end of a book for me. I'm sure some of my feelings will change when my son is old enough to watch and understand them, so I suppose I will, eventually, get Episode III, but I'm content not to see it again for now.

Hats off to Lucas. Thanks for what is IMO the greatest love story ever written: Anakin & Amidala. Do you think Romeo would have killed for Juliet as Anakin did for Amidala? I didn't think so.
 

GeoFFields said:
Hats off to Lucas. Thanks for what is IMO the greatest love story ever written: Anakin & Amidala. Do you think Romeo would have killed for Juliet as Anakin did for Amidala? I didn't think so.

There might be a reason for that- Romeo wasn't a paranoid, powerhungry, borderline sociopathic (or at the very least, unnecessarily contrary) nutter :D

I'm a bit older than the thread starter, but I'm a Star Wars guy- 'course, I also listen to music made by groups almost exclusively started more than 15 years ago... so that could be just my particular taste set. I love LotR, but it won't ever have that special "first love" place in my heart Star Wars has.
That said, those kids who were 10-15 with no previous series immersion will probably feel the same way about Jackson's trilogy. It's like imprinting with animals- get 'em early and first and you've hooked them for life.
 
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Rostek said:
There might be a reason for that- Romeo wasn't a paranoid, powerhungry, borderline sociopathic (or at the very least, unnecessarily contrary) nutter :D

ROFL!!!! Good point! What makes you think his sociopathy was only borderline? :uhoh:
 

GeoFFields said:
ROFL!!!! Good point! What makes you think his sociopathy was only borderline? :uhoh:

He obviously cared what Obi-Wan and Padme (at least for most of the first two films) felt and thought, until the dark side pushed him over the edge.
That would imply empathetic behavior... though that was done away with progressively as the films went on, with Padme and Palpatine being the last to go (one sooner rather than later, of course :] ).
 

That said, those kids who were 10-15 with no previous series immersion will probably feel the same way about Jackson's trilogy. It's like imprinting with animals- get 'em early and first and you've hooked them for life.

Yeah, that's along the lines of what I was trying to say. Hit someone at the right phase of his life (usually very early) and it stays. And the 'previous series immersion' is a good point. I'm not a big movie-goer and the news is about all I watch on TV - sometimes. Someone, who's more 'jaded' by previous impressions, isn't that easily claimed.

And I do agree, that there isn't a visible impact on the level that Star Wars continues to show. I would posit though, that there might be a more subtle one, nonetheless potent - making 'fantasy' more acceptable to the larger part of society. Of course I can't really say much about that either and we as subculture of the fantastic wouldn't notice that much anyway. But even if that's totally non-real, well, as has probably come across the post is more about my personal impressions than about generalizing theory.

Oh well, at this point I realize I'm not making sense anymore and am incapable of feats of grammar (using lots of work-arounds because the right word/grammar just won't leave its cozy little place in the depths of my hinter-mind). I'll call it a night. Have fun :p.
 

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