Resenting your employees AND your customers and bad mouthing them...not a great thing to do when your depending on both.
Says who? The only tales we have of such are from men who apparently resented her. Maybe they had a not bigoted reason for resenting her, but they certainly have never put forth such reasons.
Preventing your employees from actually participating in the hobby...that's like making video games without any playtesting or anyone even checking to see if it works...I mean it's done in video games...but normally turns out very badly for everyone.
Yea, this is just so much FOD. First, you later admit the employees were not banned from playtesting. The only reasons they were prevented from playtesting more, is that they had product to get out the door. Management did not give them sufficient time to playtest, or perform other quality processes. And yes, it did turn out poorly. But people continuing to imply that these management failures were because Lorraine didn't like gamers are simple speculating based upon opinions of people who did not like Lorraine.
However, with Williams, her hostility towards...well...just about everyone and everything in the latter half of her reign is REALLY why she is painted so badly by so many.
Let's see, Men in the industry, who probably idolized Gary saw someone who did not. That someone was a woman. And you think Lorraine was the first to show hostility between her and her employees?
That's not shown to be true by the few factual stories we have. Instead, even the one quoted upthread, state something lie 'Lorraine was unfailingly polite.' Or she she 'apologized profusely but I avoided her from them on'.
Instead of showing a woman who bought a company and was immediately hostile instead shows a person who bought a company, tried to build professional relationships, but instead was denigrated and made fun of by her male employees. If that's who she thought "gamers" were, then of course she would think "gamers" who crude, rude, and undesirables.
But we will probably never know. Because human interactions are full of perceptions, and human memory is scientifically proven to be grossly inaccurate.
it's her ACTIONS she took aggressively against others in the RPG community that gave her a bad rep among some. Those actions would have given ANYONE in the same position as her a bad rep, regardless of sex or gender (IMO).
Actions reported by whom? By people who profess they hate her. People who have demonstrated bias against her. The only thing we don't know, is did they have those biases before they had meaningful interactions with her?
It's NOT that Mrs. Williams was a woman, but certain things she did that have some who dislike what went down with TSR (or T$R as many would put it) during her tenure over it. I feel that ANYONE, man or woman that had such things occur under them would probably ALSO engender the SAME feelings towards them. It was the ACTIONS, NOT the gender that are behind some of the attitudes that people have.
Says you. And perhaps irrelevant. There is no doubt her employees denigrated and undermined her. The only remaining question is if they did that with just cause or not.
Mine also are somewhat biased and personal in general, as she was a total aggressor against Gygax (IMO) and RPG's in general.
Understood. And the purpose OF THIS THREAD is to allow people to question their own biases, and to determine if "what they know" is actually based upon sound reasoning or not.
My point is that there were OTHER women in the RPG community that were not vilified, and in some cases adored at least by the fans if not the company itself.
Others have already pointed out that MANY OTHER WOMEN were mistreated by male gamers. And still are today.
but specifically trying to point out that there are REASONS that Mrs. Williams was not liked by many
REASONS that are SUSPECT.
REASONS that make one wonder if the people espousing those opinions are sexists or otherwise biased. I showed earlier in this thread, that one of those TSR employees obviously had a predisposed distaste for Lorraine, even though he gives no justifiable reason for his dislike. It seems to me, many of those sources you rely upon had a prejudice formed by something other than experience, because they certainly have not given any justifiable reasons for this distaste.
You seem to be making no distinctions between companies and fans and ignoring the fact that I was pointing that difference out as a distinction.
A sole proprietorship isn't much of a distinction. And, before the internet, during Gary's C&D escapades, their was no internet. There was no easily widespread way to share fan content except through fanzines that were published by companies. Companies that Gary had no reservations about sending C&D's to.
To me it speaks to my point about companies large and small not knowing what to make of the internet, nor what they needed to do to protect their IP on the internet.
Yea, I don't think this phenomenon is well understood today, and how to protect IP during the beginning of the WWW certainly wasn't.