LOTR from a gamer's perspective

[Umbran]

Molonel and Celebrim:

Given how your portion of this thread has gotten rather personal and uncivil, I'm going to ask you two just stop responding to each other in this thread.

 

[Gentlegamer]

There is no way that you can say the elves were running. I have seen The Two Towers several times, and I can personally vouch that they sent a big army of elves to the battle of Helm's Deep, where one of them even got killed. Please check your facts before posting nonsense to bulletin boards, as I always do.

I'm pretty sure you're joking, but in case you aren't:

That was just the film. In the book, there are no elves at Helm's Deep. You find out later that Lorien was busy fighting the forces of Dol Guldar, which is directly across Anduin from Lorien.

 

[Prince of Happiness]

I'm pretty sure you're joking, but in case you aren't:

That was just the film. In the book, there are no elves at Helm's Deep. You find out later that Lorien was busy fighting the forces of Dol Guldar, which is directly across Anduin from Lorien.

This. Is. Hong. We. Are. Talking. About.

 

[hong]

That was just the film. In the book, there are no elves at Helm's Deep.

Oh please. Everyone knows that novelisations are at best a secondary source. For true canon, you go to the original films.

 

[William drake]

There is no way that you can say the elves were running. I have seen The Two Towers several times, and I can personally vouch that they sent a big army of elves to the battle of Helm's Deep, where one of them even got killed. Please check your facts before posting nonsense to bulletin boards, as I always do.

I'm glad you've seen the MOVIE, but in the book, the evles never showed up, they were fighting a battle of their own by the time the fellowship showed up in the realm of the Lady of the WOOD, when Helms Deep came, it was just men and the two none men who came with Aragorn..and when they fought at Minnas Tirath, the only new elves were two of Elrond's sons...that was it, to my knowledg from THE BOOKS.

I already said that Petter Jackson changed it so that the elves showed up, and thats why I said in the movie, the only issue that was given out leaving or staying, in the movie, was when Gladriel mentally messaged Elrond and asked him if it was right that they should leave.

THe book and movie are very very different, characters are protrayed in a different way. In the book, Borimer's brother, once seeing the ring in Frodo's hand, lets him go... he never wishes it for himself at all.

SO, unless you can show me page numbers in the book, where it says, a good amount, the amount that would signify that ELVES stayed, like hundreds or thoustands, of elves stay and fight in the remaining battles along side men from Helms Deep and on, then I say that they were leaving and just left the problems with men, and to me, it sounds like they dont care. This also includes the leaders, even if they stayed, if the vast majority are leaving, then the people as a whole, to which I'm talking about, dont care.
And, I just thought it was funny, since in the book there was alot of mud-slinging between the different men of different countries about "well, you didn't come to my aid when we were attacked, so why should I come to yours." YOu never hear any man, soldier, or woman who's husband died say to legolas "where are your noble people, why have they left us like this" you never hear Gandalf, ask or get mad at Elrond for his people leaving....I mean, these are the ELVES, the SUPER HEROES of middle earth, the dwarves were usless, they were all dead or not involved at all in the story besides the small group that came to Elrond's meeting.

thats all I'm saying.

 

[hong]

I'm glad you've seen the MOVIE, but in the book, the evles never showed up,

Like I said above, you guys gotta stop treating the novelisation like it was canon. I mean, when the comic shows up, are you gonna change things around? I hope not.

they were fighting a battle of their own by the time the fellowship showed up in the realm of the Lady of the WOOD, when Helms Deep came, it was just men and the two none men who came with Aragorn..and when they fought at Minnas Tirath, the only new elves were two of Elrond's sons...that was it, to my knowledg from THE BOOKS.

Mang, like I'd trust the word of someone who can't even spell Mynas Tiryth. HAW HAW!

THe book and movie are very very different, characters are protrayed in a different way. In the book, Borimer's brother, once seeing the ring in Frodo's hand, lets him go... he never wishes it for himself at all.

The book was lame. Like, lame to the max. So lame that they even cut out the uber fight scene at Osgiliyath! And the bit where Faramyr launches a cavalry charge at a stone wall! That totally changed the meaning of the character. No ordinary commander would have ordered his cavalry to charge a stone wall, because like, it's STONE, you know, but that just shows how badass Faramyr is.

 

[shilsen]

SO, unless you can show me page numbers in the book, where it says, a good amount, the amount that would signify that ELVES stayed, like hundreds or thoustands, of elves stay and fight in the remaining battles along side men from Helms Deep and on, then I say that they were leaving and just left the problems with men, and to me, it sounds like they dont care. This also includes the leaders, even if they stayed, if the vast majority are leaving, then the people as a whole, to which I'm talking about, dont care.
And, I just thought it was funny, since in the book there was alot of mud-slinging between the different men of different countries about "well, you didn't come to my aid when we were attacked, so why should I come to yours." YOu never hear any man, soldier, or woman who's husband died say to legolas "where are your noble people, why have they left us like this" you never hear Gandalf, ask or get mad at Elrond for his people leaving....I mean, these are the ELVES, the SUPER HEROES of middle earth, the dwarves were usless, they were all dead or not involved at all in the story besides the small group that came to Elrond's meeting.

thats all I'm saying.

Have you read the appendices of LotR? They explain exactly what all the elves and dwarves and others who were "off-camera" were doing. The elves of Rivendell and Lorien both fight off multiple invasions during the war. So too does Thranduil of Mirkwood (I think that's his name, since I'm going off memory here), Legolas' father. The dwarves and humans near Esgaroth and the Lonely Mountain are also fighting Sauron's forces and are forced back into the mountain. The book focuses on the adventures and events revolving around the Ring and the Fellowship, but that doesn't mean nothing important isn't happening elsewhere.

P.S. Hong is jerking your chain and that of everyone else who thinks he's serious.

 

[Crust]

Wasn't that from the second edition, though? Tolkien rewrote the entire chapter after he envisioned the Ring as part of the new trilogy and it was republished in 1951. He changed it two more times after that, and said that he had to restrain himself from extensively rewriting the whole thing.

I do remember reading this.

 

[Hussar]

Have you read the appendices of LotR? They explain exactly what all the elves and dwarves and others who were "off-camera" were doing. The elves of Rivendell and Lorien both fight off multiple invasions during the war. So too does Thranduil of Mirkwood (I think that's his name, since I'm going off memory here), Legolas' father. The dwarves and humans near Esgaroth and the Lonely Mountain are also fighting Sauron's forces and are forced back into the mountain. The book focuses on the adventures and events revolving around the Ring and the Fellowship, but that doesn't mean nothing important isn't happening elsewhere.

P.S. Hong is jerking your chain and that of everyone else who thinks he's serious.

See, I think this is where some of the disconnect comes with the people who are fans and those who perhaps are less so.

If an event is so important to a story, why is it lodged in a bloody appendix? What kind of novel includes an appendix in the first place?

 

[Celebrim]

If an event is so important to a story, why is it lodged in a bloody appendix? What kind of novel includes an appendix in the first place?

One that has flaws, for example - in the opinion of the author - that it is "too short".