LOTR logic question

[WizarDru]

I'm having fun with this. They could have waited until most of the army of orcs, ect. was outside of Moria. Someone else said would have been hard to fill three volumes, less reading IMO. I'm prob. going to get flamed for this but I think JRRT was a great author for backround and setting up. But his plot resution is so friggin SLOW. It took me like 14 years to try and get though fellowship, I finally did last year before first movie came out.

Yep. Then they'd only have to bypass Shelob, the corpse candles, tightly defended barricades, and half of the Nazgul, not all Nine. In a land where virtually nothing grows or thrives except ancient evil that goes all the way back to the First Age, in some cases. Never mind the fact that Sauron had a perfectly good chance of conquering Middle Earth WITHOUT the ring, and you've missed the point entirely, IMHO. If you wait until Men are wiped from the face of Middle Earth, who cares if you destroy the ring or not? Never mind that the Nazgul can feel the presence of the ring, as can Sauron, when it gets so close. If Gollum can track it over hundreds of miles distance, you can expect that the Nazgul can from a few leagues off on one of their flying beasties. Heck, half of TTT is Sam, Frodo and Gollum hiding under rocks so they won't be spotted by the Flying Nazgul in a land of near permanent night.

My advice: enjoy the movies, and don't worry about it.

 

[KenM]

Yep. Then they'd only have to bypass Shelob, the corpse candles, tightly defended barricades, and half of the Nazgul, not all Nine. In a land where virtually nothing grows or thrives except ancient evil that goes all the way back to the First Age, in some cases. Never mind the fact that Sauron had a perfectly good chance of conquering Middle Earth WITHOUT the ring, and you've missed the point entirely, IMHO. If you wait until Men are wiped from the face of Middle Earth, who cares if you destroy the ring or not? Never mind that the Nazgul can feel the presence of the ring, as can Sauron, when it gets so close. If Gollum can track it over hundreds of miles distance, you can expect that the Nazgul can from a few leagues off on one of their flying beasties. Heck, half of TTT is Sam, Frodo and Gollum hiding under rocks so they won't be spotted by the Flying Nazgul in a land of near permanent night.

My advice: enjoy the movies, and don't worry about it.

I do enjoy the movies, I just put this up to see peoples reactions.

 

[WizarDru]

I do enjoy the movies, I just put this up to see peoples reactions.

Well, at least you're an honest troll. Kudos for that, I guess.

 

[Ysgarran]

Decent trolls are fun...

Anyways, the main reason it would not have worked is that whoever went to drop the ring in the Fires of Mt. Doom would have failed because the ring would have 'overcome' them. It happened to Frodo when he tried to destroy the ring (was that a spoiler?). It would have happened to anyone else who tried to destroy the ring. Now I suppose if they could have flown both Frodo and Gollum...

Ysgarran.

 

[KenM]

So, yes, perhaps we can have that dogfight. With the risk of the ring falling. Right onto the open flat area of Gorgoroth, where any footsoldier of Mordor could find it.

And what happens if the guy dropping it into Mount Doom wasn't Luke Skywalker, and misses the two meter wide exhause port? Now we have the ring plinking it's way down the side of the mountain...

Really, secrecy was crucial.

I thnk the opening on top of Mt. Doom would be pretty big. Like I said, i'm having fun with this.

 

[Storm Raven]

OK, we know the ring had to be cast back into the fire of MT. Doom, but instead of taking in on foot, would'nt it have been easier if someone got on one of Gandalf's giant eagle friends, and flown over the volcano opening and dropped it in?

The Ring corrupts those who are near it, it most effectively corrupts those who are most powerful. Gwaihir Wind-Lord is an extremely powerful entity who, carrying the Ring itself, or carrying a ring-bearer, would likely have been corrupted in short order.

And wouldn't that have been an optimal outcome for the good guys?

 

[Piratecat]

Re: Re: LOTR logic question

The Ring corrupts those who are near it, it most effectively corrupts those who are most powerful. Gwaihir Wind-Lord is an extremely powerful entity who, carrying the Ring itself, or carrying a ring-bearer, would likely have been corrupted in short order.

And wouldn't that have been an optimal outcome for the good guys?

This is unquestionably the best explanation I've ever seen, and the ONLY one that has actually made sense. Nice logic!

 

[drothgery]

Re: Re: LOTR logic question

The Ring corrupts those who are near it, it most effectively corrupts those who are most powerful. Gwaihir Wind-Lord is an extremely powerful entity who, carrying the Ring itself, or carrying a ring-bearer, would likely have been corrupted in short order.

I don't think carrying Frodo (presumably) is substantially closer contact than walking next to him, which Gandalf the Grey (an extremely powerful entity) did from Rivendell to the Balrog. Also, Gwaihir and Frodo would get Mt. Doom much faster by air than Frodo and Sam did by walking (for the most part), substantially reducing the chance that Frodo would be corrupted; he probably would be able to drop the Ring.

 

[Brown Jenkin]

Re: Re: Re: LOTR logic question

I don't think carrying Frodo (presumably) is substantially closer contact than walking next to him, which Gandalf the Grey (an extremely powerful entity) did from Rivendell to the Balrog. Also, Gwaihir and Frodo would get Mt. Doom much faster by air than Frodo and Sam did by walking (for the most part), substantially reducing the chance that Frodo would be corrupted; he probably would be able to drop the Ring.

Warning Spoilers


Frodo had a problem at the very begining giving the ring to Tom Bombadill knowing it would be given right back. Being even closer to its maker will make it that much more dificult, I don't think it matters how fast he gets thier, the Ring will not allow itself to be destroyed. Isildur couldn't do it, niether could Frodo, It took Gollum to get the job done inadvertantly.

 

[The Sigil]

One more thing to remember about the corrupting power of the ring...

Only two mortal creatures ever actually gave it up to another willingly.

Spoiler Alert!

1.) Bilbo Baggins (with a great deal of assistance from Gandalf)
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2.) Samwise Gamgee

What do they have in common? They were both hobbits. They were both very "good" in heart. Both gave it to Frodo (who was "meant" to carry the ring). Neither sought power for himself - and important point.

In the book (not the movie), Faramir declines to take the ring because he does not wish to have power for himself. Tom Bombadil is unaffected by handling the ring as he does not want power for himself. Galadriel and Gandalf "pass the test" but not because they do not desire power for themselves, but because they are wise enough to understand that the result of that power would be their own undoing. No one save Sauron can be master of the ring - any other who wears it can be either its slave or by eschewing its temptations entirely, can be spared from slavery.

Yes, this opens the question of did Frodo want power and if so, why did he want it? But it is interesting to me to note that the only two mortals who ever let the ring go once they had it were those two and look at the qualities that allow them to resist its allure - and even they are tempted.

--The Sigil