Breakdaddy
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Wow, thanks Monte! I am now scrambling back into customer mode. My Debian linux machine thanks you too! DRM si teh EViL!
Malhavoc Products again available as PDF! (Merged w/ "consumer victory!")
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(Psi)SeveredHead
Adventurer
Mustrum_Ridcully said:
No it isn't a firewall issue. The only way to fix it is to pay a computer expert to do it.
I did say the Acrobat e-book reader made for terrible reading, didn't I? That's definitely using an Acrobat product.
If you can actually print it.
evildmguy
Explorer
Greetings!
Like others, I have issues with this. However, like others, mine are for my own reasons, which are similar to other problems other people have had.
First, though, a disclaimer. I have no problem with Monte's decision on this. It was his right and that's fine by me. Yes, it will affect me as a consumer and if he wants to listen to me in that regard, that is up to him. However, I don't fault him in any way for his business decision.
Here is my issue. I have not been able to get Acrobat reader 6 to work on any of my computers. This includes a computer that was wiped, reformatted and reinstalled. It was as clean as I could make it and it didn't work. Therefore, reading that only 6.0 is supported has stopped me from doing anything with them.
I understand this is my issue. I have tried to download the install on several occassions across two months but nothing has been fixed. I have looked for patches and have seen none. It didn't work on two seperate computers I have. I have done a lot to get this resolved because I now have a computer on which I can't see any PDFs. I think I have done enough for now to try and get it to work. I will wait for the next version of Reader and if that works, I will reevaluate my position. Until then, I won't be using *anything* that needs 6.0.
In the end, that's my choice and, more than likely, my loss.
Have a good one! Take care!
edg
Like others, I have issues with this. However, like others, mine are for my own reasons, which are similar to other problems other people have had.
First, though, a disclaimer. I have no problem with Monte's decision on this. It was his right and that's fine by me. Yes, it will affect me as a consumer and if he wants to listen to me in that regard, that is up to him. However, I don't fault him in any way for his business decision.
Here is my issue. I have not been able to get Acrobat reader 6 to work on any of my computers. This includes a computer that was wiped, reformatted and reinstalled. It was as clean as I could make it and it didn't work. Therefore, reading that only 6.0 is supported has stopped me from doing anything with them.
I understand this is my issue. I have tried to download the install on several occassions across two months but nothing has been fixed. I have looked for patches and have seen none. It didn't work on two seperate computers I have. I have done a lot to get this resolved because I now have a computer on which I can't see any PDFs. I think I have done enough for now to try and get it to work. I will wait for the next version of Reader and if that works, I will reevaluate my position. Until then, I won't be using *anything* that needs 6.0.
In the end, that's my choice and, more than likely, my loss.
Have a good one! Take care!
edg
2WS-Steve said:
I can understand this gunshy issue. Personally, I am an optimist (to a fault), so I trust that the parties involved in pairing with DriveThruRPG to use DRM PDF files are not doing it so that they can put the screws to the poor unsuspecting consumer. I prefer to have faith in the people and the industry that I love so dearly.
Holy Bovine said:
This is really the only VALID reason that I have heard so far for e-book based PDF files. My (often ridiculous) opinion is that all the monopoly/conspiricy theory/evil empire excuses are crap. Business are in the business of making money, and as such if Necromancer or Malhavoc or AEG want to sell through a different avenue, it's their business. As a consumer I choose to contribute my hard earned money in the businesses I trust. Sometimes I have been burned, most of the time I don't. I support all the sales channels. I spend my money at RPGNow, DrivethruRPG, ebay, amazon, FRP Games, RPG Shop, and of course my FLGS. They can all have it.
Truth be told, I just want quality d20 products. For me it is the content I prefer to focus on, not the damn delivery mechanism. If it works for me 99% of the time, awesome! If I get experience 1% of problem, then so what. I've had a book with a bad binding before, I took it back, got a new one. When my DRM PDF didn't work right, I emailed DrivethruRPG and in 1 hour they sent me a new link to a working PDF.
Let's trust the industry gang....
EDIT: spelling -- again...
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Monte At Home
Explorer
evildmguy said:
But you do have the choice. I offer products for Adobe 6.0 through DriveThru and earlier versions through our Sword&Sorcery catalog.
Henry
Autoexreginated
evildmguy said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but if 6.0 is the problem systemically, the Malhavoc PDF's available through the White Wolf Online site are useable in earlier versions. Only the Drive-thru RPG books are Adobe-6-only.
If it's instead an issue of principle, as in "I won't buy until Malhavoc is finished with DRM period", then that's a different issue.
(Psi)SeveredHead
Adventurer
Henry said:
I think the issue was that before the announcement, there was no choice for such people.
If you didn't have Acrobat 6.0, you were out of luck. And that wasn't fair. Since Monte's later announcement fixed the problem, though, people who can't or won't use DRM won't need to complain about that anymore.
Cat's Claw said:
Your arrogance is showing.
Asmor
First Post
I don't really understand this... What's with all the "thank yous" for deciding to go back on an utterly stupid idea? I mean, suppose I made the -best- boca burger in the world, so good that everyone loved it, even if they didn't usually like those vegetarian alternatives. But then I decided, ya know what, I'm gonna make it so my boca burger can only be used with XYZ Brand condiments and buns, which don't taste nearly as good as most readily available condiments and buns, but come with the nifty ability to automatically make leftovers inedible so that you can't save some for a midnight snack, and you also can't give a bite to your friend. After a couple weeks, I realize it was a stupid idea, and start allowing my boca burgers to be eaten however you please.
So are you then going to thank me for deciding to change my mind about intentionally make my product far worse, less useful, and less desirable?
My feelings: Monte, you've already lost a lot of respect in my eyes just from "going over to the dark side" in the first place. You have not redeemed yourself in any way, all you've done is gone back to the way you once were, except now you've pissed me off once before to boot. I could see myself possibly trusting you again if you gave a public and profuse apology and denouncement of DRM, but even then you would only be back to square one.
I'm reminded of Bart Simpson, in trying to come up with ways to save the family money, decided he's start smoking and then quit. Homer replied, "Good for you, boy! It's the hardest thing you'll ever do. Here's a dollar."
So are you then going to thank me for deciding to change my mind about intentionally make my product far worse, less useful, and less desirable?
My feelings: Monte, you've already lost a lot of respect in my eyes just from "going over to the dark side" in the first place. You have not redeemed yourself in any way, all you've done is gone back to the way you once were, except now you've pissed me off once before to boot. I could see myself possibly trusting you again if you gave a public and profuse apology and denouncement of DRM, but even then you would only be back to square one.
I'm reminded of Bart Simpson, in trying to come up with ways to save the family money, decided he's start smoking and then quit. Homer replied, "Good for you, boy! It's the hardest thing you'll ever do. Here's a dollar."
undeaddan
First Post
Gaming...INTO THE FUTURE!!!
I do trust most in the industry to have only good intentions. What I don't trust is that everyone in the industry has the business acumen to remain in business until I die. I also don't trust Adobe to remain in business till I die. What I do trust is that through vigilance on my part I will be able to open and read non-DRMed .pdf files for the rest of my natural life.
Whoa, I just realized that there will be 70+ years of computer innovation between now and my eventual demise. I wonder what kind of computer I will have in my head in 2074. I can only hope that it will be a Mac of some sort.
cats_claw said:
I do trust most in the industry to have only good intentions. What I don't trust is that everyone in the industry has the business acumen to remain in business until I die. I also don't trust Adobe to remain in business till I die. What I do trust is that through vigilance on my part I will be able to open and read non-DRMed .pdf files for the rest of my natural life.
Whoa, I just realized that there will be 70+ years of computer innovation between now and my eventual demise. I wonder what kind of computer I will have in my head in 2074. I can only hope that it will be a Mac of some sort.
johnsemlak
First Post
Can we please stop personal attacks, and over-emotional rants against publishers? We really don't need to get into all this again.
