Star Wars Mando season 3

[MarkB]

What ones exactly?

Far too many to mention.

Emperor returning via cloning was done in legends but was executed better.

Hin returning via cloning also makes sense in universe.

That's what I was recerecing it's executed poorly and a lotbof other things are crap in RoS.

We all know whyvtgey brought the Emperor back lack of an effective villain.

It was executed better in Legends, but even then it was a bad idea. Let the villain be defeated, let the heroes have their happily ever after. The thing I hated most about the EU continuity was that the characters from the original trilogy never got a minute's peace after saving the galaxy.

 

[Zardnaar]

Far too many to mention.

It was executed better in Legends, but even then it was a bad idea. Let the villain be defeated, let the heroes have their happily ever after. The thing I hated most about the EU continuity was that the characters from the original trilogy never got a minute's peace after saving the galaxy.

It was kind if a bad idea in 1991.

However cloning as revealed by George Lucas opens the door on a clone emperor. Either a clinebin traditional sense or a clone body+ essence transfer.

Kind if ageee on it being a bad idea to bring back the Emperor but it makes sense at least in universe.


Old EU at least closed the plot hole of the Emperor doing it over and over (why can't Emperor return post RoS? Don't know). Also somewhat ambiguous if clone Palpatine was actually him or a copy.

 

[pukunui]

Well snoke showing yp eventually would Mae some amount of sense.

They're looking for force sensitive DNA. Pershing kinda explained it and Snoke was created by strandcasting.

Exactly. And there were those things that looked like Snoke prototypes in the vats in the Imperial facility on Nevarro in season 2.

 

[Zardnaar]

Exactly. And there were those things that looked like Snoke prototypes in the vats in the Imperial facility on Nevarro in season 2.

The other clue is Mount Wayland in Bad Batch.

That's where the Emperor stored the spaart8 cloning cylinders that Thrawn busted out.

So Disney has chosen that to be the thread that overlaps everything. Makes someamountnof sense as well asvits been a thing since 1977 and old EU in 1991 (Heir to the Empire, Dark Empire) and Lucas a well in animated and live action pre Disney buyout.

Might turn out to be complete poodu idk but the basic idea is fine. I was still at high school reading about this stuff (1993).

 

[Stalker0]

What ones exactly? Emperor returning via cloning was done in legends but was executed better.

Hin returning via cloning also makes sense in universe.

That's what I was referencing it's executed poorly and a lot of other things are crap in RoS.

We all know why they brought the Emperor back lack of an effective villain.

• Your original villain coming back with no foreshadowing, is just lazy writing.
• The Emperor had an army of ships bigger than either the New Republic and First Order....in complete secret. Oh, and did we mention that each one of them has a death star laser on them? um....ok.
• That to find the mcguffin required a mystical map dagger that only worked if you precisely positioned it in a very specific spot AND very specific distance.
• That Rey's plan to find the thing Skywalker had apparently spent years searching for, was to just randomly wander out into the desert. And.....it WORKS!

So there's a quick list for you

 

[Zardnaar]

• Your original villain coming back with no foreshadowing, is just lazy writing.
• The Emperor had an army of ships bigger than either the New Republic and First Order....in complete secret. Oh, and did we mention that each one of them has a death star laser on them? um....ok.
• That to find the mcguffin required a mystical map dagger that only worked if you precisely positioned it in a very specific spot AND very specific distance.
• That Rey's plan to find the thing Skywalker had apparently spent years searching for, was to just randomly wander out into the desert. And.....it WORKS!

So there's a quick list for you

Yeah that's all fairly dumb.

 

[Hussar]

Are we seriously poking holes in Star Wars plots?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

True but the Emperor is possibly vack st this point in time along with Thrawn. Either one could be pulling Gideons strings.

Given Gideon's obsession with cloning (is he a clone himself?) I would think he is likely acting as a proxy for Palpatine's return, creating Snoke.

Whilst Thrawn would use clones if it served his purposes, it wouldn't be out of character for him to be opposed to a Resurrect-Palpatine faction.

 

[trappedslider]

Are we seriously poking holes in Star Wars plots?

 

[Zaukrie]

Are we seriously poking holes in Star Wars plots?

If we did, would there be anything solid left?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Awfully easy to break into a junk yard.

In real life, getting in to decommissioned military scrap yards is not easy. That was one of many clues for me that something was up.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

So, my wife and I finally saw this episode last night and we found it kind of a headscratcher. I remember the doctor's face and that, I think, he was there to set up the stupidity in Rise of Skywalker, and that the comms officer was shady and not to be trusted (honestly, her behavior was textbook espionage stuff).

The re-integration stuff was interesting, but two (?) seasons after the first appearance, we weren't sure why we were seeing any of this stuff or what it means. If it's just laying some breadcrumbs to the idea that the Emperor still has some loyalists around, it's an especially unwelcome detour.

The episode did drive home how great it would be to see Disney telling stories with new characters in underexplored areas (i.e. not Tattooine).

The Mandalorian does some of that, but we don't need to see, say, Luke's would-be R4 unit show up on the show, and we certainly don't need more time on Tattooine. Let it go back to being a forgotten corner of the galaxy.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Whilst Thrawn would use clones if it served his purposes, it wouldn't be out of character for him to be opposed to a Resurrect-Palpatine faction.

Thrawn has always been a sort of juxtaposition to the megalomania and mystical fervour that the Emperor embodies, being literally anti-Force in the old EU and certainly mostly seeming affronted by the Force in the new canon. Indeed him being undone by the Force in a very unexpected way at the end of Rebels seems unlikely to make him any more of a fan.

So yes I'd be absolutely unsurprised if that was the angle - that he was working against the Bring Back Palps faction. Or equally he might not be directing it, but might link up with that non-Force faction when he gets back from his unscheduled vacation to the furthest reaches of the galaxy.

 

[Zardnaar]

Thrawn has always been a sort of juxtaposition to the megalomania and mystical fervour that the Emperor embodies, being literally anti-Force in the old EU and certainly mostly seeming affronted by the Force in the new canon. Indeed him being undone by the Force in a very unexpected way at the end of Rebels seems unlikely to make him any more of a fan.

So yes I'd be absolutely unsurprised if that was the angle - that he was working against the Bring Back Palps faction. Or equally he might not be directing it, but might link up with that non-Force faction when he gets back from his unscheduled vacation to the furthest reaches of the galaxy.

In hindsight I think he was subverting expectations that work.

Emperor and Vader force users. Thrawn no.

Superweapins vs no superweapins.

Massive fleets vs 3-4 Star Destroyers+support ships.

Zahn was also very good at getting the dire straits of the Empire over. JJ "look huge fleet mwa ha ha".

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I am also hoping that they save Thrawn for the Ahsoka series.

I strongly suspect that they will, but that's coming fairly soon - this year, apparently (finished filming last October, is in post). So it may well be that Thrawn will enter the story soon, and I don't think Favreau has a tight vision of what he wants to do with The Mandalorian. I think he's more of a general SW fan who just wants to play with fun SW toys. And once Thrawn is back in the toybox he may have difficulty not playing with him (unless Filoni slaps his hand when he tries to, but they seem pretty matey).

In hindsight I think he was subverting expectations that work.

Emperor and Vader force users. Thrawn no.

Superweapins vs no superweapins.

Massive fleets vs 3-4 Star Destroyers+support ships.

Zahn was also very good at getting the dire straits of the Empire over. JJ "look huge fleet mwa ha ha".

That's one way to look at it.

I don't think that it was intended as a subversion, though. Rather, Zahn is a military SF writer at heart, not really a space opera writer. military SF is it's own subgenre with different tropes and ideas, and the Thrawn books are more in-tune with military SF tropes than space opera ones (there is crossover - Mass Effect being a great example but that ultimately engages more with space opera tropes). Interestingly this also kind of happened with Michael Stackpole and the Rogue Squadron books, and arguably with Karen Traviss' stuff too.

 

[Ryujin]

Would have been nice if they hadn't kept escalating the size of the doom machines. It's a moon. No, it's a bigger moon, but doesn't look quite finished. No, it's a PLANET! Next will be making stars go nova and taking out entire solar systems.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Would have been nice if they hadn't kept escalating the size of the doom machines. It's a moon. No, it's a bigger moon, but doesn't look quite finished. No, it's a PLANET! Next will be making stars go nova and taking out entire solar systems.

Already been done in the old EU - I present the incredibly lame Sun Crusher

 

[MarkB]

Would have been nice if they hadn't kept escalating the size of the doom machines. It's a moon. No, it's a bigger moon, but doesn't look quite finished. No, it's a PLANET! Next will be making stars go nova and taking out entire solar systems.

If by "next" you mean "done quite early on in the Expanded Universe".

 

[Ryujin]

EU isn't "canon" for Disney, except when it is.

 

[Zardnaar]

I strongly suspect that they will, but that's coming fairly soon - this year, apparently (finished filming last October, is in post). So it may well be that Thrawn will enter the story soon, and I don't think Favreau has a tight vision of what he wants to do with The Mandalorian. I think he's more of a general SW fan who just wants to play with fun SW toys. And once Thrawn is back in the toybox he may have difficulty not playing with him (unless Filoni slaps his hand when he tries to, but they seem pretty matey).

That's one way to look at it.

I don't think that it was intended as a subversion, though. Rather, Zahn is a military SF writer at heart, not really a space opera writer. military SF is it's own subgenre with different tropes and ideas, and the Thrawn books are more in-tune with military SF tropes than space opera ones (there is crossover - Mass Effect being a great example but that ultimately engages more with space opera tropes). Interestingly this also kind of happened with Michael Stackpole and the Rogue Squadron books, and arguably with Karen Traviss' stuff too.

Wwll they were also some of the better EU authors although I didn't get the Stackpole love.