Ashrem Bayle
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LOVED both of them and now I'm even more pumped for Revolutions. Me and some co-workers will be taking off early on opening day.
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Matrix: Revolutions reviews starting to appear.
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Endur
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All three of those reviews are bogus marketing reviews.
The third review has some spoilers, but they are obvious spoilers. You didn't have to see Revolutions, all you had to see was the trailer for Revolutions and watch Reloaded and you would have known about about the spoiler items in the third review.
In fact, I would bet that all three of those reviews were written by the same person. Very similar style in their grammatical structures.
The third review has some spoilers, but they are obvious spoilers. You didn't have to see Revolutions, all you had to see was the trailer for Revolutions and watch Reloaded and you would have known about about the spoiler items in the third review.
In fact, I would bet that all three of those reviews were written by the same person. Very similar style in their grammatical structures.
Dark Jezter
First Post
It never fails; whenever a positive advance review shows up for a movie on a website, someone always has to say "This review is a plant!" And of course, they never provide any proof to back up their claims.
Yes, it's a possibility that the studio sent those reviews to AICN, but I'm not going to dismiss a review outright because it's not negative enough for my tastes. It's quite possible that those are honest reviews by people who got advance screenings.
Yes, it's a possibility that the studio sent those reviews to AICN, but I'm not going to dismiss a review outright because it's not negative enough for my tastes. It's quite possible that those are honest reviews by people who got advance screenings.
drnuncheon
Explorer
Baraendur said:
It seems pretty obvious to me.
Smith is "The One" now just as much as Neo is - thus all the talk about their connection and such. They both came back from the dead, they both 'break the rules', etc. Then, remember Smith's speech frm the first movie: he wants to eradicate the 'virus' known as humanity. If the Architect is correct and the system is going to crash because of Neo's actions, then Smith vs. Neo determines who will control the future after the Matrix goes down.
J
Ashrem Bayle
Explorer
kingpaul said:
Smith seemed to think that was a possibility. See the conversation they had just before the "Burly Brawl".
KingOfChaos
First Post
Here is something my sister wrote up after watching Reloaded. It might explain some things.
Let's describe everyone and their real "roles" in the Matrix.
Morpheus: Morpheus, the God of Dreams, is the one who believes in the supernaturalesque "THE ONE" prophecy. He gives everyone a dream to believe in. In addition, like the Serpent from the Garden of Eden Story, he offers the Fruit of Knowledge to anyone who will take it. This is important and is the first key in what else we have hypothesized, so remember it. He is the one who hands out the Knowledge of Good and Evil. He gives everyone a choice at attaining "Free Will". Like the Serpent, though, he doesn't FORCE anyone to take it. He simply offers it.
The Architect: Obviously supposed to be the God figure. He is an older, Caucasian male with a white beard in a white suit. You go to him by passing a "door of light" (Go into the Light....). He tells Neo that there have been FIVE other Zions and FIVE other Neos before him. He is the one that explains who Neo is and what his "function" is. Ergo...if the Architect is God....he really can't be "evil". Remember this as it is ALSO important. (Also, if he were evil, he would not have offered paradise initially...the Garden of Eden or Heaven...which was the first Matrix and no one could accept.) He, also, expects everyone to follow a set of rules....just like any program...just like any deity.
Oracle: The Oracle is a Logging Program. She is NOTHING important, people. NOTHING. She simply hasn't been "erased" everytime the Matrix has been "reloaded". In other words, she has a log of everything that has happened before. That's why she seems to have ESP like powers. She ADMITS to being a program (duh) in the scene in the park with the Ravens. She is only telling Neo what has already happened...and will happen again. It's happened 5 times before. Neo is a program (we find this out from The Architect) and he is programmed to behave in a specified way. He will always behave in this way. The Oracle has seen it 5 times and not been erased, so she isn't supernatural. She's just a program that has logged what happened before. Forget her. She's lost her mystique at this point.
Persephone: Persephone is the "mother" of the Matrix. NOT the Oracle as Shawn misquoted above. Persephone, like her namesake, is the catalyst for 'renewal' of the Matrix. Like the Goddess of Spring, Persephone appears to restart the Matrix. She is, also, likely the main emotional matrix for the entire system. She has not been erased before. We find this out from The Architect. She delivers (every time) the Key Maker to Neo. The Key Maker sends Neo to the Architect and Neo "restarts" the Matrix EVERY SINGLE TIME, thinking (erroneously) that he's "saving" Zion in the process. You'll see more when we get to Neo below.
Agent Smith: Right now, he's the ONLY "person" with true free will within the Matrix. He, also, figures out quickly that there is no "outside". He tries to tell Neo this when he says, "We can never be free. You just don't realize it, yet." Smith and Neo have some type of connection and are really a part of each other. More than likely, they will have to overcome their dislike for one another in order to take down the entire system (since Smith is really the only person "outside" the control of the system right now). I'm not really sure where they'll go with him.
Zion: It's not a person, but it's important that you see where this is going so you'll see where Neo fits into the picture.
Let's look at this for a second, shall we?
Zion...Biblical place of importance to the Jewish people. Zion in the Matrix is the following: 1. DEEP underground 2. Run on steam and geothermal heat (from the Engineering scene) 3. Full of people who worship Neo (literally) 4. Full of people who were literally having full blown orgies together (during the party scene). 5. Has been destroyed by the Architect's forces before...and will again. 6. As we know (from the end sequences when Neo suddenly realizes he can "manifest power" in the Zion "world"...ala...the 3rd Matrix....) that Zion is really only a portion of the Matrix made by the Architect for "rogue programs" and exiles. During the movie, there's a portion where they discuss what happens to programs that go rogue. They either return to the source and are deleted, are exiled (to Zion) by choice, or hide (from the Agents). We KNOW Neo is a program. (from the Architect) If Neo is a program, it stands to reason that many of the others in Zion are also. Therefore, Zion is NOT "outside" (as Smith tried to point out to Neo). Zion is the third Matrix, built to give the "rogue" programs their chance at "free will". 7. Morpheus points out during his "pep talk" that they are not in Zion because of where they will go, but because of the things they've already done. Their actions put them there.
Hell (Biblically) is the following: 1. Deep Underground 2. Hot 3. Full of people who do not worship God and do not follow rules assigned by God 4. Full of people who wallow in filth (look at how nasty Zion is...dirty and falling apart) and sin (full blown orgies)...and who "demanded" the right to Knowledge (Morpheus' pill) as Adam and Eve did in the Garden...and who wanted "free will" from God's reign. (The theme of "what is control?" that runs through the second movie). 5. Was emptied before by God and will be again (in Revelation when all the damned souls will be sent to the lake of fire and brimstone...deleted...literally).
What were the three levels of the Matrix? Level 1 (that occurred first): Heaven or the Garden of Eden...where everything was paradise and man's "mind" could not comprehend it.
Level 2 (the 1990s Earth of Mr. Andersen's hacker existence): Earth...where everyone has a chance to run their lives and live out their "programmed existences".
Level 3 (Zion): The place where the rogue programs and exiles go...the ones who choose to fight The Architect. The ones who do not follow their programming protocols, desire free will, wallow in sin, and continue to fight everything. Zion is Hell, folks. It's where the Architect "sends" or allows rogue programs to go when they do not want to follow the rules of the Earth Matrix. They go to hell. Too many corresponding similarities to deny it.
Okay, so Neo...Neo is supposed to "save Zion". From Whom? The Architect and his machine minions. If Architect is God...and Zion is Hell...and Neo is being worshipped as a "savior". Doesn't that make Neo the Anti-Christ? Lucifer was originally a rogue angel...it's not surprising that Neo is a rogue program, an anomaly. Just as Lucifer was the most powerful of all God's angels and the most beautiful, Neo is an extremely powerful program. This last Neo, also, is number SIX. Six being the number of Satan in Hebrew Numerology. (Yeah...told you that you should've been paying attention. There's a helluva lot of Biblical references in the movie...betcha most of you didn't know.)
So, Neo...the man you're all rooting for...is DESTINED to fail. He's, also, failed 5 times before (as Lucifer failed and was thrown from Heaven). Anyone who has heard anything about the 3rd movie's "supposed" storyline knows that Neo fails and Zion is destroyed. Zion is supposed to be destroyed. That's all Neo is...an agent of destruction.
Neo, also, is destined to make the 7th Zion. He was originally supposed to pick 23 people to start the new Zion after the machines destroy the 6th one. He decides to save Trinity's life (thereby dooming Zion anyway). EITHER WAY, ZION FALLS.
Neo is very possibly the Anti-Christ. Also, if Bane DOES succeed in attempting to kill Neo in the 3rd movie...and Neo "lies in state for 3 days, but awakens", I think we can all say without any argument that he is what I propose him to be.
Neo could, also, possibly be a manifestation of Adam (with Trinity as Eve) where Morpheus tempts them into entering the Matrix. If so, Neo remaking Zion is just like Adam and Eve being the first people to sin and enter the world.
If Neo does turn out to be the Christ Figure that they've been trying to obviously make him out to be, that would mean Cypher from the first movie must've been Judas. However, I still don't buy that Neo is the Christ Figure yet. He seems more likely to be something a bit more "Anti-God" than Jesus was made out to be, seeing as Neo deliberately is attempting to overthrow the Architect.
And it should be noted that the Anti-Christ will be seen as a "savior" of sorts when he first makes his appearance on the scene. He will be, mistakenly, seen as the Messiah by the Jews (just as the people of Zion see Neo). He will directly cause the end of the world by leading open rebellion against God. Then, God will allow a "New Heaven and Earth" to be made after the Anti-Christ is defeated. This seems to follow the path more closely to what Neo's destiny has been described. He will appear as a Savior. He is worshipped erroneously (the blessing and offering scene in Zion) by the people. Then, he leads open rebellion against God. He falls and the Earth is destroyed in the process (Zion is destroyed regardless of Neo's attempt to save it by rebelling against the Architect). However, God allows a NEW Heaven and Earth to be built...and a new hell, more than likely...just as Neo is to pick the next 23 people to inhabit the new Zion.
Regardless, Neo is definitely not the "savior" that everyone was hoping he would be.
Other interesting "facts" of the Matrix:
1. There's likely no real humans any longer. Probably no real machines...only the Matrix. Reason: The Oracle says, "All your mythologies about werewolves, vampires, ghosts, and UFOs are really just older, rogue programs." If all of our "mythologies" are nothing more than programs and those things are "older" than old, it's likely that the "humans" are not real either. Neo, as we find out, is a program. Many of the others are, also, just programs with some sort of emotional subroutine (given them likely by their "mother" Persephone). This means that there are no humans hooked up to fields of batteries. There are no real machines. The only machine that exists any longer is The Matrix itself.
This is the answer to the question in the First Movie of "What is Real?" Nothing is real except the Matrix itself. ("What you need to realize is that there is no spoon." The Spoon Analogy reappears in the 2nd movie, also, right before Neo goes to speak to the Oracle. It is brought to Neo by the annoyance from one of the "orphans", who said that Neo would understand what it meant. The Orphan must've been the child from the first movie, but how can this be? The child in the first movie never left the Matrix. It is an indication that the two Matrices are not really that different from one another. They are still all in the same computer. They sometimes even blend...like when Agent Smith infects one of the "operators" in Neo's dream.)
Neo is not real. Trinity is not real. NO ONE is real. They are all "memories", programs in the machine, that continue to relive the same programmed lives over and over ad infinitum. Neo shows up anytime there's enough chaos in the entire system...and "reloads" it, thinking he's "saving" the world every time, but he's not.
Anyone who reads Philosophy can identify this as the Allegory of the Cave. What is Real? The Shadow only or the Manifestation?
2. The Lady and the Tiger shows up in the decision scene. This is really just one of those things we wanted to point out in case anyone cared. Neo must choose between two no-win situations. Either way, he loses and Zion is destroyed.
3. Neo's First Question to the Architect: "Why Am I Here?" is a question that mankind has been asking God forever. The Architect, basically, answers Neo with the standard answer of "You are here to fulfill your purpose." Is this pre-destination? Yes, I'm guessing it would be since it happened 5 times before.
4. Biblical or Mythological Names that show up in the Film:
Zion: (other than the obvious meaning of the place where Jerusalem was eventually built by King David), it means (also) "An Imaginary place of perfection and idealism"
Icarus (the first ship that stays near the surface to access the "Earth" matrix and is destroyed first...like Icarus from the story who flew too close to the sun after he was warned and overlooked that warning...and died for his stupidity)
Nebachadnezzar: Babylonian King of renown who threw Meshach, Shadrach and Abedago into the fiery furnace. Nebachadnezzar was cursed by God with madness (possibly Lycanthropy) for being too prideful and vain (notice that Niobe was, also, punished for vanity and pride).
Morpheus: God of Dreams who lost his son, Orpheus, to the Harpies due to his own vanity and pride. Orpheus became an Oracle after his death...basically a bodiless head. Morpheus, also, had the power to change anything in a person's dreams that he wished and he had the power to send his 2 brothers into other people's dreams to change things as well. (Like Morpheus had the power to send people into the Level 2 Matrix in the movie).
Trinity (the Trinity is usually referring to God (the Father), Jesus (the son), and the Holy Spirit)
The Oracle
Persephone: Goddess of Springtime and Renewal. She was forced to marry Hades and remain for 6 months out of every year in his realm for eating 6 pomegranate seeds there.
Niobe (the woman who did not have humility and had all of her children and husband killed by Apollo for her arrogance and vanity)
Seraph (meaning Angel)
Other interesting name meanings:
Soren (Captain of the Icarus) is probably named after Soren Kierkegaard, Danish Philosopher. He was an existentialist...and wrote such profound things as the following:
Far from idleness being the root of all evil, it is rather the only true good. Soren Kierkegaard
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. Soren Kierkegaard
People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard
The Logos (Niobe's Ship): coming from Logos (noun): 1 : the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity 2 : reason that in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe
Logos is, also, a type of Psychological Thought started by Frankel that follows a precept of Humanism/Existentialism.
Logos is, also, used to mean "The Word of God" (in reference to Jesus Christ) in the New Testament. It, also, meant "The Law".
At any rate, there are many such unusual names with philosophical, mythological, or Biblical references.
Also, the name Neo (in addition to meaning "New") is an anagram of the word "One". I think this name meaning is pretty well known, but felt I should mention it. So, Neo means "New One". Nothing too big, but eh.
5. Philosophical Questions Broached by The Matrix: A. What is Real? (A fundamental Philosophical argument) B. What is Control? (What is free will?) C. Why are we here? D. Are we predestined to behave in a certain way, regardless of our desire to do otherwise?
6. Religious Precepts brought out in The Matrix: A. Past Lives B. Reincarnation C. Levels of Existence (Heaven, Earth, Hell) D. A Overgod who determines the fate of the "world" and all who inhabit it. E. Spiritual Renewal through Destruction of what is Unholy F. Predestination G. The Path is more important than the destination
Morpheus: Morpheus, the God of Dreams, is the one who believes in the supernaturalesque "THE ONE" prophecy. He gives everyone a dream to believe in. In addition, like the Serpent from the Garden of Eden Story, he offers the Fruit of Knowledge to anyone who will take it. This is important and is the first key in what else we have hypothesized, so remember it. He is the one who hands out the Knowledge of Good and Evil. He gives everyone a choice at attaining "Free Will". Like the Serpent, though, he doesn't FORCE anyone to take it. He simply offers it.
The Architect: Obviously supposed to be the God figure. He is an older, Caucasian male with a white beard in a white suit. You go to him by passing a "door of light" (Go into the Light....). He tells Neo that there have been FIVE other Zions and FIVE other Neos before him. He is the one that explains who Neo is and what his "function" is. Ergo...if the Architect is God....he really can't be "evil". Remember this as it is ALSO important. (Also, if he were evil, he would not have offered paradise initially...the Garden of Eden or Heaven...which was the first Matrix and no one could accept.) He, also, expects everyone to follow a set of rules....just like any program...just like any deity.
Oracle: The Oracle is a Logging Program. She is NOTHING important, people. NOTHING. She simply hasn't been "erased" everytime the Matrix has been "reloaded". In other words, she has a log of everything that has happened before. That's why she seems to have ESP like powers. She ADMITS to being a program (duh) in the scene in the park with the Ravens. She is only telling Neo what has already happened...and will happen again. It's happened 5 times before. Neo is a program (we find this out from The Architect) and he is programmed to behave in a specified way. He will always behave in this way. The Oracle has seen it 5 times and not been erased, so she isn't supernatural. She's just a program that has logged what happened before. Forget her. She's lost her mystique at this point.
Persephone: Persephone is the "mother" of the Matrix. NOT the Oracle as Shawn misquoted above. Persephone, like her namesake, is the catalyst for 'renewal' of the Matrix. Like the Goddess of Spring, Persephone appears to restart the Matrix. She is, also, likely the main emotional matrix for the entire system. She has not been erased before. We find this out from The Architect. She delivers (every time) the Key Maker to Neo. The Key Maker sends Neo to the Architect and Neo "restarts" the Matrix EVERY SINGLE TIME, thinking (erroneously) that he's "saving" Zion in the process. You'll see more when we get to Neo below.
Agent Smith: Right now, he's the ONLY "person" with true free will within the Matrix. He, also, figures out quickly that there is no "outside". He tries to tell Neo this when he says, "We can never be free. You just don't realize it, yet." Smith and Neo have some type of connection and are really a part of each other. More than likely, they will have to overcome their dislike for one another in order to take down the entire system (since Smith is really the only person "outside" the control of the system right now). I'm not really sure where they'll go with him.
Zion: It's not a person, but it's important that you see where this is going so you'll see where Neo fits into the picture.
Let's look at this for a second, shall we?
Zion...Biblical place of importance to the Jewish people. Zion in the Matrix is the following: 1. DEEP underground 2. Run on steam and geothermal heat (from the Engineering scene) 3. Full of people who worship Neo (literally) 4. Full of people who were literally having full blown orgies together (during the party scene). 5. Has been destroyed by the Architect's forces before...and will again. 6. As we know (from the end sequences when Neo suddenly realizes he can "manifest power" in the Zion "world"...ala...the 3rd Matrix....) that Zion is really only a portion of the Matrix made by the Architect for "rogue programs" and exiles. During the movie, there's a portion where they discuss what happens to programs that go rogue. They either return to the source and are deleted, are exiled (to Zion) by choice, or hide (from the Agents). We KNOW Neo is a program. (from the Architect) If Neo is a program, it stands to reason that many of the others in Zion are also. Therefore, Zion is NOT "outside" (as Smith tried to point out to Neo). Zion is the third Matrix, built to give the "rogue" programs their chance at "free will". 7. Morpheus points out during his "pep talk" that they are not in Zion because of where they will go, but because of the things they've already done. Their actions put them there.
Hell (Biblically) is the following: 1. Deep Underground 2. Hot 3. Full of people who do not worship God and do not follow rules assigned by God 4. Full of people who wallow in filth (look at how nasty Zion is...dirty and falling apart) and sin (full blown orgies)...and who "demanded" the right to Knowledge (Morpheus' pill) as Adam and Eve did in the Garden...and who wanted "free will" from God's reign. (The theme of "what is control?" that runs through the second movie). 5. Was emptied before by God and will be again (in Revelation when all the damned souls will be sent to the lake of fire and brimstone...deleted...literally).
What were the three levels of the Matrix? Level 1 (that occurred first): Heaven or the Garden of Eden...where everything was paradise and man's "mind" could not comprehend it.
Level 2 (the 1990s Earth of Mr. Andersen's hacker existence): Earth...where everyone has a chance to run their lives and live out their "programmed existences".
Level 3 (Zion): The place where the rogue programs and exiles go...the ones who choose to fight The Architect. The ones who do not follow their programming protocols, desire free will, wallow in sin, and continue to fight everything. Zion is Hell, folks. It's where the Architect "sends" or allows rogue programs to go when they do not want to follow the rules of the Earth Matrix. They go to hell. Too many corresponding similarities to deny it.
Okay, so Neo...Neo is supposed to "save Zion". From Whom? The Architect and his machine minions. If Architect is God...and Zion is Hell...and Neo is being worshipped as a "savior". Doesn't that make Neo the Anti-Christ? Lucifer was originally a rogue angel...it's not surprising that Neo is a rogue program, an anomaly. Just as Lucifer was the most powerful of all God's angels and the most beautiful, Neo is an extremely powerful program. This last Neo, also, is number SIX. Six being the number of Satan in Hebrew Numerology. (Yeah...told you that you should've been paying attention. There's a helluva lot of Biblical references in the movie...betcha most of you didn't know.)
So, Neo...the man you're all rooting for...is DESTINED to fail. He's, also, failed 5 times before (as Lucifer failed and was thrown from Heaven). Anyone who has heard anything about the 3rd movie's "supposed" storyline knows that Neo fails and Zion is destroyed. Zion is supposed to be destroyed. That's all Neo is...an agent of destruction.
Neo, also, is destined to make the 7th Zion. He was originally supposed to pick 23 people to start the new Zion after the machines destroy the 6th one. He decides to save Trinity's life (thereby dooming Zion anyway). EITHER WAY, ZION FALLS.
Neo is very possibly the Anti-Christ. Also, if Bane DOES succeed in attempting to kill Neo in the 3rd movie...and Neo "lies in state for 3 days, but awakens", I think we can all say without any argument that he is what I propose him to be.
Neo could, also, possibly be a manifestation of Adam (with Trinity as Eve) where Morpheus tempts them into entering the Matrix. If so, Neo remaking Zion is just like Adam and Eve being the first people to sin and enter the world.
If Neo does turn out to be the Christ Figure that they've been trying to obviously make him out to be, that would mean Cypher from the first movie must've been Judas. However, I still don't buy that Neo is the Christ Figure yet. He seems more likely to be something a bit more "Anti-God" than Jesus was made out to be, seeing as Neo deliberately is attempting to overthrow the Architect.
And it should be noted that the Anti-Christ will be seen as a "savior" of sorts when he first makes his appearance on the scene. He will be, mistakenly, seen as the Messiah by the Jews (just as the people of Zion see Neo). He will directly cause the end of the world by leading open rebellion against God. Then, God will allow a "New Heaven and Earth" to be made after the Anti-Christ is defeated. This seems to follow the path more closely to what Neo's destiny has been described. He will appear as a Savior. He is worshipped erroneously (the blessing and offering scene in Zion) by the people. Then, he leads open rebellion against God. He falls and the Earth is destroyed in the process (Zion is destroyed regardless of Neo's attempt to save it by rebelling against the Architect). However, God allows a NEW Heaven and Earth to be built...and a new hell, more than likely...just as Neo is to pick the next 23 people to inhabit the new Zion.
Regardless, Neo is definitely not the "savior" that everyone was hoping he would be.
Other interesting "facts" of the Matrix:
1. There's likely no real humans any longer. Probably no real machines...only the Matrix. Reason: The Oracle says, "All your mythologies about werewolves, vampires, ghosts, and UFOs are really just older, rogue programs." If all of our "mythologies" are nothing more than programs and those things are "older" than old, it's likely that the "humans" are not real either. Neo, as we find out, is a program. Many of the others are, also, just programs with some sort of emotional subroutine (given them likely by their "mother" Persephone). This means that there are no humans hooked up to fields of batteries. There are no real machines. The only machine that exists any longer is The Matrix itself.
This is the answer to the question in the First Movie of "What is Real?" Nothing is real except the Matrix itself. ("What you need to realize is that there is no spoon." The Spoon Analogy reappears in the 2nd movie, also, right before Neo goes to speak to the Oracle. It is brought to Neo by the annoyance from one of the "orphans", who said that Neo would understand what it meant. The Orphan must've been the child from the first movie, but how can this be? The child in the first movie never left the Matrix. It is an indication that the two Matrices are not really that different from one another. They are still all in the same computer. They sometimes even blend...like when Agent Smith infects one of the "operators" in Neo's dream.)
Neo is not real. Trinity is not real. NO ONE is real. They are all "memories", programs in the machine, that continue to relive the same programmed lives over and over ad infinitum. Neo shows up anytime there's enough chaos in the entire system...and "reloads" it, thinking he's "saving" the world every time, but he's not.
Anyone who reads Philosophy can identify this as the Allegory of the Cave. What is Real? The Shadow only or the Manifestation?
2. The Lady and the Tiger shows up in the decision scene. This is really just one of those things we wanted to point out in case anyone cared. Neo must choose between two no-win situations. Either way, he loses and Zion is destroyed.
3. Neo's First Question to the Architect: "Why Am I Here?" is a question that mankind has been asking God forever. The Architect, basically, answers Neo with the standard answer of "You are here to fulfill your purpose." Is this pre-destination? Yes, I'm guessing it would be since it happened 5 times before.
4. Biblical or Mythological Names that show up in the Film:
Zion: (other than the obvious meaning of the place where Jerusalem was eventually built by King David), it means (also) "An Imaginary place of perfection and idealism"
Icarus (the first ship that stays near the surface to access the "Earth" matrix and is destroyed first...like Icarus from the story who flew too close to the sun after he was warned and overlooked that warning...and died for his stupidity)
Nebachadnezzar: Babylonian King of renown who threw Meshach, Shadrach and Abedago into the fiery furnace. Nebachadnezzar was cursed by God with madness (possibly Lycanthropy) for being too prideful and vain (notice that Niobe was, also, punished for vanity and pride).
Morpheus: God of Dreams who lost his son, Orpheus, to the Harpies due to his own vanity and pride. Orpheus became an Oracle after his death...basically a bodiless head. Morpheus, also, had the power to change anything in a person's dreams that he wished and he had the power to send his 2 brothers into other people's dreams to change things as well. (Like Morpheus had the power to send people into the Level 2 Matrix in the movie).
Trinity (the Trinity is usually referring to God (the Father), Jesus (the son), and the Holy Spirit)
The Oracle
Persephone: Goddess of Springtime and Renewal. She was forced to marry Hades and remain for 6 months out of every year in his realm for eating 6 pomegranate seeds there.
Niobe (the woman who did not have humility and had all of her children and husband killed by Apollo for her arrogance and vanity)
Seraph (meaning Angel)
Other interesting name meanings:
Soren (Captain of the Icarus) is probably named after Soren Kierkegaard, Danish Philosopher. He was an existentialist...and wrote such profound things as the following:
Far from idleness being the root of all evil, it is rather the only true good. Soren Kierkegaard
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. Soren Kierkegaard
People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard
The Logos (Niobe's Ship): coming from Logos (noun): 1 : the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity 2 : reason that in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe
Logos is, also, a type of Psychological Thought started by Frankel that follows a precept of Humanism/Existentialism.
Logos is, also, used to mean "The Word of God" (in reference to Jesus Christ) in the New Testament. It, also, meant "The Law".
At any rate, there are many such unusual names with philosophical, mythological, or Biblical references.
Also, the name Neo (in addition to meaning "New") is an anagram of the word "One". I think this name meaning is pretty well known, but felt I should mention it. So, Neo means "New One". Nothing too big, but eh.
5. Philosophical Questions Broached by The Matrix: A. What is Real? (A fundamental Philosophical argument) B. What is Control? (What is free will?) C. Why are we here? D. Are we predestined to behave in a certain way, regardless of our desire to do otherwise?
6. Religious Precepts brought out in The Matrix: A. Past Lives B. Reincarnation C. Levels of Existence (Heaven, Earth, Hell) D. A Overgod who determines the fate of the "world" and all who inhabit it. E. Spiritual Renewal through Destruction of what is Unholy F. Predestination G. The Path is more important than the destination
ShinHakkaider
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Ashrem Bayle said:
I agree. I think that Neo altered something withing Smith.
I mean as an Agent, Smith already had the ability to jump into bodies plugged into the Matrix. His ability to "replicate" himself within the Matrix is just a mutation of his ability.
The problem that hit me as soon as I saw him replicate that other agent during the burly brawl (there was a reason that they showed that Agent take over that ladies body and then right after that show Smith take over the Agent) was that Smith can take over Agents he can take over normal people too. Also his duplication power wasnt limited to him, his duplicates can create duplicates as well.
Smith presents a GREATER threat than Neo on many different levels. Smith can DESTROY the Matrix via infection. He already had a certain amount of contempt for his job as an Agent, he wanted freedom even in the first movie. And the Oracles spiel about rouge programs wasnt only focused on describing the Merovingian, she was also talking about Smith. Which was why Seraph was so hot to get the Oracle out of the park. They knew Smith was coming and what Smith could do.
I also think that everyone's been lying to Neo. The Oracle, The Architect even Morpheus to some extent. I think that the only two people who havent been lying to him are the MErovingian and Smith.
Smith is Neo's opposite number. Neo may be the ONE. But Smith is the MANY. He is Leigon...
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