Matrix: Revolutions synopsis

[WizarDru]

I didn't like Matrix Reloaded. The cgi wasn't very good and the characters acted too cool and didn't seem to have any real personality.

As someone pointed out when the film was released, in the original, Neo goes to see the Oracle, but in Reloaded, he has to kung-fu fight to see her. Why?

Well, we could spend a lot of time debating points like this. Truthfully? There are several in-plot reasons to account for it, some mentioned and some that could be speculated. My own personal belief is that it depends on what the truth turns out to be.

Either the Oracle was hiding out, because now that the One has been discovered and become active, the powers-that-be aren't willing to tolerate her free-agency any longer. The AIs have become factionalized (which seemed to be a major point of M:R) and are fighting for control of the power-source/meat-space. Reality is so mutable in the Matrix, that the only way to verify Neo's identity would be to test him.

Another very simple possibility is the same one that motivates the Matrix itself....humans can't accept something if it's too easy. Fighting to see the Oracle makes him more receptive to her message, real or not. And, of course, a rogue agent (Smith) has been running around for some time, now, causing trouble. Testing for his presence is important, as he could actually destroy the Oracle, as opposed to Neo, one assumes.

I thought M:R was OK, but it got better the more I discussed and thought about it. Overall, M:R's quality will be dependent on 'Revolutions', and how the series concludes. Some folks thought that SW:Episode I improved in light of Episode II, because it redefined the story. I'm not sure if I agree, but the idea is the same.

And when you add in the international gross, the tally for Matrix:Reloaded is $452 million. Hardly a bomb by any measure.

 

[Welverin]

Well, we could spend a lot of time debating points like this. Truthfully? There are several in-plot reasons to account for it, some mentioned and some that could be speculated. My own personal belief is that it depends on what the truth turns out to be.
>snip reasons<

Both possibilities could apply. She could be hiding out because it's what's expected of her (she's part of the conspiracy, so I don't buy her hiding from the PtB) and it could just be a way of further meeting Neo's expectations.

Remember that the Oracle is a part of the whole plot to get the One to reboot the matrix along with the Architect and the Merovingian. Whether she is only playing her role in the scheme or is doing more to help the humans truly become free we won't know until after we see Revolutions.

*cue Dr. Evil voice*

Riiiiiight.

Yep, I am.

 

[Kai Lord]

Yep, I am.

Yes, TTT would have been much better if when Aragorn first saw Gandalf the White they had a kung-fu fight for no reason. I bow to your superior sense of taste.

 

[Villano]

I thought M:R was OK, but it got better the more I discussed and thought about it.

It had the opposite effect on me. The more I thought about it, the less I liked it.

I'll probably take a 2nd look at it when it hits dvd, but, if I still think it sucks, everyone here owes me the rental money.

Yes, TTT would have been much better if when Aragorn first saw Gandalf the White they had a kung-fu fight for no reason. I bow to your superior sense of taste.

Someone described M: R as being like a musical, only with fights instead of singing. Talk, talk, talk, fight, talk, talk, talk, fight... Like clockwork and there doesn't even need to be a reason for it.

I just wish they had the characters in the non-fighting scenes do more than stand around, expressionless. Like I said, everyone was being too cool. At least the first one had Neo running around terrified and Cypher adding something.

 

[Kai Lord]

Someone described M: R as being like a musical, only with fights instead of singing. Talk, talk, talk, fight, talk, talk, talk, fight... Like clockwork and there doesn't even need to be a reason for it.

Sounds like "someone" knows what he's talking about...

http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=903872#post903872

 

[Welverin]

Yes, TTT would have been much better if when Aragorn first saw Gandalf the White they had a kung-fu fight for no reason. I bow to your superior sense of taste.

Where the hell did that come from and what does it have to do with my assertion tTT isn't a great movie?

 

[WizarDru]

Remember that the Oracle is a part of the whole plot to get the One to reboot the matrix along with the Architect and the Merovingian. Whether she is only playing her role in the scheme or is doing more to help the humans truly become free we won't know until after we see Revolutions.

I remember the Architect claiming that, sure. I don't remember her saying it, or any proof other than the lying liar telling me that this time, he wasn't really lying. In essence, you have to assume that the Architect was revealing the truth to Neo, and I don't accept yet that he was telling the whole, 100% truth. At the least, I suspect him of lying by omission.

The oracle could be a part of the plot, a former member of the plot who's changed sides or an abolitionist who's being maligned by her enemies.

I'll reserve judgement until December about whether the story is good or bad. Some elements, such as the bathroom kiss or the orgasm cake, could be significant clues or plot points...or not. If the plot plays out well, then it's done excellent foreshadowing and generated solid themes. But it could also just be te h suck. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Starman]

I agree with you, WizardDru. Several of my friends disliked Reloaded because of what the Architect said. I tried telling them that we had no proof that anything he said was true. I'm pretty sure that most of what he said was half-truths and twisted-truths for some nefarious plot (muahahahahah). I would be disappointed if it was 100% true.

Starman

 

[blackshirt5]

Feh, whenever a great film is released there are always fools who claim otherwise. Lucky for all of you, I'm here to tell you who's right and who's wrong.

Hey; you don't go on IRC by the name of Loonook, by any chance, do ya Kai?

 

[Kai Lord]

Hey; you don't go on IRC by the name of Loonook, by any chance, do ya Kai?

Loonook? Nope. I don't do IRC at all, actually.