May Daggermaster Nerf Rumour

[keterys]

There's a paragon path released yesterday that is quite good for wild mages, and has improved crit range.

 

[stsparks72]

I play a high level Rogue/Daggermaster and I think I like the idea of the Daggermaster being somewhat exclusive to Rogue's and their powers. The Ranger already has the world on a silver platter and the Sorcerer/Warlock cheese makes the Rogue's 1d4 dagger look pathetic.

So I'm fine with them limiting the 18-20 crit range to Rogue powers only, even though that messes up my desire to play an Eternal Seeker with all the cool Barbarian and Ranger powers. I'm sure as a Rogue I'll find another Epic Destiny that will work well with my build. Ultimately this change will help keep all the leaches out of my favorite Paragon Path. LOL!

The only concern I have is with Basic Attacks. Hopefully the Daggermaster will still be able to score crits on an 18 or higher with Basic Attacks.

 

[Istar]

I play a high level Rogue/Daggermaster and I think I like the idea of the Daggermaster being somewhat exclusive to Rogue's and their powers. The Ranger already has the world on a silver platter and the Sorcerer/Warlock cheese makes the Rogue's 1d4 dagger look pathetic.

So I'm fine with them limiting the 18-20 crit range to Rogue powers only, even though that messes up my desire to play an Eternal Seeker with all the cool Barbarian and Ranger powers. I'm sure as a Rogue I'll find another Epic Destiny that will work well with my build. Ultimately this change will help keep all the leaches out of my favorite Paragon Path. LOL!

The only concern I have is with Basic Attacks. Hopefully the Daggermaster will still be able to score crits on an 18 or higher with Basic Attacks.

I agree Daggermaster is for rogues, stuff the other stealing cheating soso's....

The idea that a M/C Feat lets you pillage a PP from another class doesnt sit well with me anyway.

But they need to nice to Half Elf, respect their racial ability.
The extra at-will that they pick up becomes part of them and part of the class that they are, they shouldnt descriminate against half elfs.
That would be racist.

 

[Enclave]

Who cares about Daggermaster?

I'm much more interested in the possibility that WotC is going to put out an RPG based on Red Dwarf. I mean, come on, let's get our priorities straight!

It's cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere
I'm all alone, more or less
Let me fly far away from here
Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun

I want to lie shipwrecked and comatose
Drinking fresh mango juice
Goldfish shoals nibbling at my toes
Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun
Fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun

 

[Flipguarder]

Nevermind, found it. My DM is not going to be happy.

 

[keterys]

Dungeons & Dragons Roleplaying Game Official Home Page - Article (Sorcerers)

 

[renau1g]

I play a high level Rogue/Daggermaster and I think I like the idea of the Daggermaster being somewhat exclusive to Rogue's and their powers. The Ranger already has the world on a silver platter and the Sorcerer/Warlock cheese makes the Rogue's 1d4 dagger look pathetic.

Oh boo-hoo, a d4 changes to a d6 or d8. The static modifiers are where its at baby, the Iron Armbands of Power easily make up the difference from d4 to d6 and most of the jump to d8 so stop whining about that. The reason rangers are the highest DPR's isn't their weapon die, its their piling on of static modifiers with multiple attacks.

Now if you want to complain about the area attacks of sorcerers granting them multiple rolls per attack and thus more likely to trigger the classes improved crit range, well that I agree with.

 

[Turtlejay]

Wow, great conversational tone there.

Like most aspects of 4e, when you just look at one part of the system little things don't matter.

It is when you take the whole together that problems emerge. So yeah, d4 to d8 is only like 2 points of damage. Less than IAoP, sure. But it is not an either/or problem, it is a stacking of little things, +2 here, +4 there, and it creates the problem.

So Daggermaster is just one ingredient in a pie of broken combat, when used for other classes like Sorcerers and Avengers. Get all or most of the stuff that contributes under control and it won't be a huge issue, but combine it all together and you have the current state of affairs.

Jay

 

[renau1g]

I just find it funny that the rogues are all complaining about it working for sorcerers/avengers when they still have access to the class (and don't avengers then need to use daggers?). Rogues IMO make the most of it and those same modifiers are available for the rogues (even more with SA, etc).

I was responding to the other posters comments about d4 being small compared to sorcerers d6/d8's and responding that many items make up that difference (and more).

 

[Istar]

I just find it funny that the rogues are all complaining about it working for sorcerers/avengers when they still have access to the class (and don't avengers then need to use daggers?). Rogues IMO make the most of it and those same modifiers are available for the rogues (even more with SA, etc).

I was responding to the other posters comments about d4 being small compared to sorcerers d6/d8's and responding that many items make up that difference (and more).

Restrict it to Rogue Powers like SOC or whatever it is.

But dont be racist against the half elf, his new dilantie at-will should be considered a rogue power for the purpose of this PP.