Hypersmurf
Moderatarrrrh...
It doesn't help that Bless really should have a Target entry, rather than an Area entry...
-Hyp.
Mirror Image and Magic Missile
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It doesn't help that Bless really should have a Target entry, rather than an Area entry...
-Hyp.
to make those decisions.
Uller
Adventurer
Hmmm...I'm not sure who I'm agreeing with here, but IMO, a spell cast at an invalid target "fizzles". It may or may not appear to work.
Magic Missile on a Major Image: Fizzles. A figment is not a creature. It may appear to work if the MI caster made it react properly.
Bless: Area is appropriate. All allies in the area are blessed. If they leave the area, they are no longer blessed.
Dominate on a 20th level monk: Fizzles. No saving throw is ever made, so the caster has no idea if it worked or not.
Magic Missile on a mirror image: one cannot purposely target an image from a mirror image. They must attempt to target the caster. Nothing in the spell description indicates that you can pick and choose image and caster when targeting the subject of this spell.
That's my $3.50 anyway...
Magic Missile on a Major Image: Fizzles. A figment is not a creature. It may appear to work if the MI caster made it react properly.
Bless: Area is appropriate. All allies in the area are blessed. If they leave the area, they are no longer blessed.
Dominate on a 20th level monk: Fizzles. No saving throw is ever made, so the caster has no idea if it worked or not.
Magic Missile on a mirror image: one cannot purposely target an image from a mirror image. They must attempt to target the caster. Nothing in the spell description indicates that you can pick and choose image and caster when targeting the subject of this spell.
That's my $3.50 anyway...
Hypersmurf
Moderatarrrrh...
FAQ explicitly contradicts this. Using Bless as an example, even.
-Hyp.
IceBear
Explorer
Uller said:
Ok, I still don't know where you stand here
You said that it would fizzle on a major image but might appear to work if the MI caster made it react properly. What does that mean? Does a magic missle go out and hit the image or none at all? If you mean the first then it should work the same way for Mirror Image. You pick a target, it's randomly determined if that's the real caster. Hypersmurf is saying that nothing would happen if it's a fake. The FAQ seems to imply that the image would be destroyed, and your first answer seems to say you feel the same way Anyway, I could care less at this point. It's how it has always worked in my games and it's essentially the same as Hypersmurf's except in mine magic missle will destroy images and in his you learn that the target is not what you think it is (in the case of a Major Image).IceBear
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Murrdox
First Post
I think so far in the context of this thread, "fizzle" means that the spell isn't even sucessfully cast. In the case of Magic Missle fizzling, for example, when you're done casting it all you get is a little puff of smoke or an unpleasant smell as the spell fails.
What WE'VE been talking about is what you mentioned. The missle actually appears, streaks towards the illusion, hits it.... but then does absolutely nothing.
What WE'VE been talking about is what you mentioned. The missle actually appears, streaks towards the illusion, hits it.... but then does absolutely nothing.
I just thought that I would jump in here (again).
IMHO this is what makes the most sense...
A caster (wizard) under the effect of a mirror image spell would look like a cluster of identical "beings" constantly merging in and out of each other. It would be clear to any potential MM caster (a sorcerer) that the wizard is under some type of magical effect even if they did not know of the the Mirror Image spell.
This is different from one wizard with four bodyguards each with a change self spell in action.
In the latter you can target any of the 5 (wizard of bodyguard A,B,C, or D).
In the former you can ONLY target the caster. In my mind there is no difference between casting at the wizard (camoflaged as he is) and casting at a displacer beast.
Also, in the former if you cast MM at the caster then you would have to resolve if you actually hit the caster or an image.
Also, in the above former case, if a MM hits an image it disappears as it were struck. Struck as in a direct effect from the hand of the sorcerer hit (i.e. struck) the image. This is no different from throwing a rock and hitting an image (striking it and making it disappear) ubt is different than causing an avalance to engulf the wizard (perhaps killing the wizard but not disipating any of the images).
Further, IMHO, it also makes the most sense...
That the images of MI are constantly moving despite if the caster is in the middle of a MOVE.
That combat is fluid and each character does not a "free" six seconds of action. While initiative dictates how we players resolve character actions, while the sorcerer (with the better initiative) is casting magic missle and resolving it against the wizards, the wizard is already casting lighning bolt.
...but then again I have been out of a game for more than a year and just recently found this link in my bookmarks.
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IMHO this is what makes the most sense...
A caster (wizard) under the effect of a mirror image spell would look like a cluster of identical "beings" constantly merging in and out of each other. It would be clear to any potential MM caster (a sorcerer) that the wizard is under some type of magical effect even if they did not know of the the Mirror Image spell.
This is different from one wizard with four bodyguards each with a change self spell in action.
In the latter you can target any of the 5 (wizard of bodyguard A,B,C, or D).
In the former you can ONLY target the caster. In my mind there is no difference between casting at the wizard (camoflaged as he is) and casting at a displacer beast.
Also, in the former if you cast MM at the caster then you would have to resolve if you actually hit the caster or an image.
Also, in the above former case, if a MM hits an image it disappears as it were struck. Struck as in a direct effect from the hand of the sorcerer hit (i.e. struck) the image. This is no different from throwing a rock and hitting an image (striking it and making it disappear) ubt is different than causing an avalance to engulf the wizard (perhaps killing the wizard but not disipating any of the images).
Further, IMHO, it also makes the most sense...
That the images of MI are constantly moving despite if the caster is in the middle of a MOVE.
That combat is fluid and each character does not a "free" six seconds of action. While initiative dictates how we players resolve character actions, while the sorcerer (with the better initiative) is casting magic missle and resolving it against the wizards, the wizard is already casting lighning bolt.
...but then again I have been out of a game for more than a year and just recently found this link in my bookmarks.
g!
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