MM4 Table of Contents up

[Kunimatyu]

It's interesting.

The four Avatars of Elemental Evil.

Lots of basic enemy NPCs. Half-Fiend Gnoll Warlock, Yuan-Ti Abomination Cult Leader, etc.

Fourteen dragonspawn, with 4 bluespawn and 2 blackspawn.

Three new 'loths -- Corruptor of Fate, Dreadful Lasher, and Voor.

Some demons, including Nashrou.

No devils.

Tomb Spiders with a Web Mummy template. (methinks somebody liked a certain ToH2 monster...)

Lots of minis line creatures -- Dwarf Ancestor, Justice Archon, Wrackspawn.

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

I like the "for players" portion of the ToC. That could be nice and handy. We'l see about the monsters... I'm not 100% sold yet.

 

[DMH]

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060626a

I am not liking what I am seeing. Gnolls, drow, orcs, githyanki, yuan-ti and ogres take up too much space for existing creatures and the spawn take up 1/6th of the whole book.

 

[DaveMage]

I'm looking forward to it, but I fear the John Cooper review....

 

[Kunimatyu]

Here's the full list:

Avatars of Elemental Evil:
Black Rock Triskelion (Earth Avatar)
Cyclonic Ravager (Air Avatar)
Holocaust Disciple (Fire Avatar)
Waterveiled Assassin (Water Avatar)
Balhannoth
Bloodfire Ooze
Bloodhulk:
Bloodhulk Fighter
Bloodhulk Giant
Bloodhulk Crusher
Bloodsilk Spider
Briarvex
Clockroach
Clockwork Mender
Clockwork Steed
Concordant Killer
Corrupture
Defacer
Demon:
Deathdrinker
Kastighur
Nashrou
Whisper Demon
Demonhive:
Demonhive Attendant
Demonet Swarm
Demonhive Queen
Dwarf Ancestor
Elf, Drow:
Lolth’s Sting
Dark Sniper
Arcane Guard
Drow Priestess
Giant, Craa’ghoran
Githyanki:
Githyanki Soldier
Gish
Githyanki Captain
Gnoll:
Slave-Taker
Fiendish Cleric of Yeenoghu
Half-Fiend Gnoll Warlock
Golem, Fang
Howler Wasp
Howler Wasp Queen
Inferno Spider
Joystealer
Justice Archon
Justice Archon Champion
Lizardfolk, Dark Talon Tribe:
Dark Talon Soldier
Dark Talon Champion
Dark Talon Wasp Rider
Dark Talon Shaman
Yarshag, Dark Talon King
Lodestone Marauder
Lolth-Touched Creature:
Lolth-Touched Bebilith
Lolth-Touched Drow Ranger
Lolth-Touched Monstrous Spider
Lunar Ravager
Mageripper Swarm
Minotaur, Greathorn
Nagatha
Necrosis Carnex
Oaken Defender
Sample Lair: The Faerie Ring
Ogre:
Ogre Scout
Ogre Tempest
Ogre Guard Thrall
Orc:
Orc Berserker
War Howler
Orc Battle Priest
Orc Plague Speaker
Half-Orc Infiltrator
Plague Walker
Quanlos
Sailsnake
Skiurid
Spawn of Tiamat
Blackspawn Raider
Blackspawn Stalker
Bluespawn Ambusher
Bluespawn Burrower
Bluespawn Godslayer
Bluespawn Stormlizard
Greenspawn Leaper
Greenspawn Razorfiend
Greenspawn Sneak
Redspawn Arcaniss
Redspawn Firebelcher
Whitespawn Hordeling
Whitespawn Hunter
Whitespawn Iceskidder
Tomb Spider
Tomb Spider Broodswarm
Web Mummy
Varag
Varag Pack Leader
Verdant Prince
Vitreous Drinker
Windblade
Windrazor
Windscythe
Wizened Elder
Wrackspawn
Yuan-ti:
Pureblood Slayer
Halfblood Deceiver
Abomination Cult Leader
Yuan-ti Ignan
Yugoloth:
Corruptor of Fate
Voor
Dreadful Lasher
Zern:
Zern Arcanovore
Zern Blade Thrall

 

[Kunimatyu]

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060626a

I am not liking what I am seeing. Gnolls, drow, orcs, githyanki, yuan-ti and ogres take up too much space for existing creatures and the spawn take up 1/6th of the whole book.

I'm just thrilled that there isn't four spawn of every color.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060626a

I am not liking what I am seeing. Gnolls, drow, orcs, githyanki, yuan-ti and ogres take up too much space for existing creatures.

That's actually the stuff I'm most interested in. I like having a variety of "types" to choose from of the "workhorse" types of monsters, the ones that get the most use in a campaign. I like mixing 'n' matching 'em to come up with interesting raiding parties, garrisons, villages, etc.

 

[Shade]

Egads! I count only 73 unique creatures (not counting MM critters with class levels, sample templated creatures, and advanced versions of monsters).

To put that in perspective, that is only 30 more unique creatures than Draconomicon, 35 more than the Miniatures Handbook, and 36 less than the wafer-thin Monsters of Faerun!

That said, the new demons and yugoloths will be enough to get me to belly up to the bar. :\

 

[qstor]

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060626a

I am not liking what I am seeing. Gnolls, drow, orcs, githyanki, yuan-ti and ogres take up too much space for existing creatures and the spawn take up 1/6th of the whole book.

Yeah same here. It looks like just monsters with class levels...for the lazy DM in all of us...

Mike

 

[Shemeska]

While I smile at the inclusion of the 'loths, there are still 2e 'loths that have yet to be converted over to 3.x. I'd have appreciated their inclusion more than new ones, because the former have an established place in the 'loth heirarchy, while the new ones... we won't know till the book is out. I'll remain warily optimistic.

The classed/advanced hitdice versions of monsters listed out as seperate monsters is starting to get on my nerves. Especially when it's being done with orcs and ogres now apparently. That disturbs me.

And the last thing we need is more clogging of space with minis... Argg...

I'll at least give the book a look however before I make any decision on purchase, though it is no longer on my list of books to pre-order.