Monks, Mage-Killing and SR Improving

[Storminator]

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i.e. Forcecage. Abundant Step. Another Forcecage. Now?

Bye
Thanee

Ethereal Jaunt. Another Forcecage. Ethereal Jaunt. repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat,repeat...

Let's say we're 25th level. Did you prepare 26 Forcecages?

And Freedom of Movement is not a wizard spell.

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[Thanee]

Ethereal Jaunt?

You mean that Ethereal Jaunt, that doesn't let you bypass a FORCEcage?

BTW, how does a Monk 20 / Magekiller 5 with VoP get to use Ethereal Jaunt?

Limited Wish takes care of those not on your class list issues.
Other than that, a ring of freedom of movement is not too expensive (at that level).

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

That's your premise, which you are trying to force on Thanee. It is not the one she was using, as she said from the beginning. So why don't you pull the stick out and calm down?

Hey, he was just thinking in his arena-limited version and I meant "so you want to kill a mage... gotta find one first!"

Bye
Thanee

 

[Pax]

Actually, I was basing the premise on the sort of situation implicit in teh original question of this thread - one in which a PC monk, oriented on nailing enemy spellcasters, would actually ENCOUNTER spellcasters, who were not his friend(s).

 

[Storminator]

Ethereal Jaunt?

You mean that Ethereal Jaunt, that doesn't let you bypass a FORCEcage?

BTW, how does a Monk 20 / Magekiller 5 with VoP get to use Ethereal Jaunt?

Limited Wish takes care of those not on your class list issues.
Other than that, a ring of freedom of movement is not too expensive (at that level).

Bye
Thanee

Hey! Forcecage stops ethereal travel! That's pretty cool.

Ethereal Jaunt is a 19th level monk power.

350 XP per spell adds up for L. Wish.
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[Celtavian]

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What if the mage is particularly smart and uses Contingency with a Teleport the first time he is struck by an unseen, unknown assailant? A rather common defense of high level magi followed by the use of divinations to find out who struck him or her. Followed by the use of summoning spells (probably epic at level 25 +) to hunt down said monk.

Who could sneak upon on who better at 25th level, a wizard with all kinds of spells to use like Shapechange (Can we say Huge Dragon..yeah, try to grapple that monk-boy) and Teleport at his or her disposal.

Bottom line is a monk will have to catch a poorly played Wizard without prepatory spells to beat him.

Then there is also the Clone factor. "Gee, the monk killed me. That son of a pig is going to pay. In fact, that is what he will become is a pig."

Then the clever mage shows up changed. Makes good friends with the monk until he convinces him that he is a friend. During a battle he tells the monk he is going to "buff him up" for battle. DM asks, do you lower your SR and accept the spell. "Bing, Bong, Boom" you are a slug.

Lot's of options for a mage to beat a monk or survive a monk's attacks. Not as many options for a Monk to deal with a mage. Especially a monk with Vow of Poverty unless the mage is stupid enough to go toe to toe with the monk.

I don't personally play wizards poorly. I don't see them losing all that often to a monk, and even then only temporarily.

 

[Thanee]

Hey! Forcecage stops ethereal travel! That's pretty cool.

Yes, that's what the force effect is all about. It projects into the ethereal plane.

So, any other ideas?

Ethereal Jaunt is a 19th level monk power.

Ah, ok. Missed that one.

300 XP per spell adds up for L. Wish.

Yes, it does. But having played a spellcaster who quite recklessly uses this (about once or twice per evening), I can tell you, the cost almost doesn't matter. It only prevents you from using it all the time. But whenever it is important, you do.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

Bottom line is a monk will have to catch a poorly played Wizard without prepatory spells to beat him.

That's what it's all about!

Smart Wizard > Monk
And most wizards are pretty smart, really.

Or in other words... Without being a spellcaster, the task of mage-killing is quite futile.

That's why I'd recommend a cleric to be tooled up for this purpose.
Much, much better at it.

However, if you want to make a char, that does not really kill the mage, but only delay him, then you can, of course, do that, as the mage will have to direct his attention towards the monk. But anything beyond that is wishful thinking.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

Actually, I was basing the premise on the sort of situation implicit in teh original question of this thread - one in which a PC monk, oriented on nailing enemy spellcasters, would actually ENCOUNTER spellcasters, who were not his friend(s).

Of course, I know what you are coming from, no need to explain that.

I was just pointing out, how vastly superior the mage is to the monk in this matchup.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Oscar carramiñana]

In one on one combat a monk only need a ring of spell storing greater with an antimagic field into, any wizard lose any spell, item and the monk can kill he in a round of grapple