Monsters new to 3E?

[Glyfair]

Finally (unless I am rather mistaken) came the Monster Manual II, which included some creatures from Dragon Magazine and a bunch of other new creatures.

The MMII was the first book to extensively collect the monsters that had previously appeared in modules (back then almost every module had a new monster, it was a selling point). The Fiend Folio had the monsters from the G & D series, though. That's a pretty big list (Lolth, Nycadaemon, Mezzodaemon, Jermlaine, Kuo-Toa, full entry for Drow,)

 

[CRGreathouse]

allip was in previous editions
arrowhawk too
frost worm too... under another name

Do you know of the books where these came out (or at least a book in which they appeared before 3E)? What was the frost worm originally?

celestial template, fiendish template, half-celestial template, half-dragon template, half-fiend template have all had some basis in previous editions.

Yes, I won't argue that.

 

[Glyfair]

Do you know of the books where these came out (or at least a book in which they appeared before 3E)? What was the frost worm originally?

The resource I use for looking up origins of monsters doesn't list any pre-3E sources for the Allip, Frost Worm nor the Arrowhawk. I'm pretty sure the Arrowhawk was an example given of creatures they created to fill roles in 3E (elemental monsters that weren't actual elementals).

 

[Particle_Man]

First Edition AD&D started out with the Monster Manual. After a good few years with just that (and creatures from modules and The Dragon) we got the Fiend Folio from TSR UK. Finally (unless I am rather mistaken) came the Monster Manual II, which included some creatures from Dragon Magazine and a bunch of other new creatures. There's also a few creatures in the Deities & Demigods book. I think that's about it. Oh, wait, there were some new creatures introduced in the AD&D Monster Card sets, which I seem to own most of. There, I think that's it now.

Oriental Adventures added a few monsters to 1st ed AD&D.

 

[sjmiller]

Oriental Adventures added a few monsters to 1st ed AD&D.

Man, I knew I was forgetting a book. That was the one I had the hardest time finding when it came out.

 

[CRGreathouse]

The resource I use for looking up origins of monsters doesn't list any pre-3E sources for the Allip, Frost Worm nor the Arrowhawk. I'm pretty sure the Arrowhawk was an example given of creatures they created to fill roles in 3E (elemental monsters that weren't actual elementals).

I use the same resource myself; in fact I link to it at the end of my page. I also thought that the arrowhawk was new.

Do you remember the source for the "example" you mention? I'd love to quote it. Anything you can remember might help me -- I vaguely recall reading something like that, but I can't think of anything in particular.

 

[Glyfair]

Do you remember the source for the "example" you mention? I'd love to quote it. Anything you can remember might help me -- I vaguely recall reading something like that, but I can't think of anything in particular.

The problem is most of these references I've seen were on previous versions of these forums. Unless it was something posted on the news sites archive the references are pretty much gone.

 

[NilesB]

You're thinking of the Kharga. They do look similar.

So I was, thanks.

 

[Grazzt]

Scott, a quick question of terminology if I may...

What was the progression of MMs? There was the 1E Monster Manual, the 2E Monstrous Manual, the 3E and 3.5 Monster Manuals -- right? 2E also had Monstrous Compendiums: were those expanded MMs or were they more like the MM II? It's been a long time since I played 2E (and I've never played 1E), and I gave all my old books away. Also, are there MMs from before 1E?

Diaglo and glass pretty much summed your questions up I do believe. As for MMs before 1e...maybe. If you want to count OD&D, or the original booklets (like Chainmail, the original Monsters & Treasures book, stuff like that).

 

[Grazzt]

The resource I use for looking up origins of monsters doesn't list any pre-3E sources for the Allip, Frost Worm nor the Arrowhawk. I'm pretty sure the Arrowhawk was an example given of creatures they created to fill roles in 3E (elemental monsters that weren't actual elementals).

Wasnt the frost worm mentioned (maybe 1e, possibly 2e...dont recall at the moment) as a variant of the purple worm (basically a cold-dwelling version of said monster).

This entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allip) says the Allip appeared in MC 1. (cant check as Im at work and dont have my stuff readily available.)