Moon Knight - SPOILERS

[Thomas Shey]

And what about the gods that are shared between the mythologies? Like Serapis (Greek and Egyptian), Mithras (Roman and Iranian), and Aphrodite/Ishtar (Greek and Mesopotamian). Also, I'm assuming Athena doesn't exist in the MCU's Olympus, because Thena is one of the Eternals.

As I recall, both existed in the comics.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Maybe. Thor’s family use magic, but then they also claim it’s super advanced technology that just looks like magic, so I dunno.

Strictly speaking, I think Thor's comment on it was "When you get to a certain point, there's no difference."

 

[Tonguez]

Ah. Is that who that was?

Still, the fact that the Norse gods are shown to be long-lived, super-powered aliens from another planet rather than actual divine beings makes me wonder what the “true” nature of all the other gods of antiquity is.

Are they all just aliens from other planets/dimensions? Or are some of them actually divine/spiritual in nature?

so far the MCU has had gods who are Asgardian, Egyptian/Wakandan, Loa and Olympians (?) plus demons (Ghostrider and the Helstroms),

Loa and demons in the MCU have been depicted as energy beings who reside in the Dark Dimension but regularly invade Earth (and in the case of demons possess human bodies)

while Asgardians were presented as essentially super-advanced aliens it did show Odin via the Odin-force evolving to be more ’godly’ and presumably Thor with his transformation is also evolving. Its also not clear if each of the nine realms was a planet or a ‘dimension’

we know Ennead gods reside in the Overvoid and use human Avatars. They are described as ‘a race of beings worshiped as gods’ but we otherwise dont have enough information to distinguish them from Odin et al.

Olympus appears to be reachable by starship

Other god-like beings:

1. The people of Ta-Lo and the Soul Eaters
2. Domammu - he’s described as an inter-dimensional entity who conquered the Dark Dimension and absorbed other worlds in to it. MCU Hell is part of the Dark Dimension.
3. Celestials and Eternals are not true gods, so discounting them.
4. the Watcher?

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

As I recall, both existed in the comics.

I was more wondering the stories behind those gods. From what we've seen so far, Egyptian Gods and Greek Gods in the MCU function very differently. The Greek Gods look like just powerful aliens (like Thor, Loki, and Odin), while the Egyptians have to possess an Avatar on Earth in order to interact with it. If there's a god in both mythologies (Serapis), are they Egyptian-style or Greek-style in the MCU?

Eternals Spoiler: Tiamut also complicates the god problem in the MCU. If she hadn't really been born until the Eternals, why were there myths about her in Babylonian mythology?

 

[MarkB]

I was more wondering the stories behind those gods. From what we've seen so far, Egyptian Gods and Greek Gods in the MCU function very differently. The Greek Gods look like just powerful aliens (like Thor, Loki, and Odin), while the Egyptians have to possess an Avatar on Earth in order to interact with it.

Had we actually seen any Greek gods prior to the new Thor trailer? And it's not as though we get a thorough breakdown of their nature and power level in that trailer.

 

[BrokenTwin]

Tiamut could just be a different person with the same name.
That, and the MCU setting cohesiveness is... eh, to begin with.

 

[Tonguez]

I was more wondering the stories behind those gods. From what we've seen so far, Egyptian Gods and Greek Gods in the MCU function very differently. The Greek Gods look like just powerful aliens (like Thor, Loki, and Odin), while the Egyptians have to possess an Avatar on Earth in order to interact with it. If there's a god in both mythologies (Serapis), are they Egyptian-style or Greek-style in the MCU?

Eternals Spoiler: Tiamut also complicates the god problem in the MCU. If she hadn't really been born until the Eternals, why were there myths about her in Babylonian mythology?

Serapsis was a Greek god who lived in Egypt not the same god manifesting in two seperate pantheons (historically he was a syncretic hybrid)

also we see that the MCU gods like Thor can travel to other nations and indeed comic canon confirms that many gods of Wakanda (Bast, Sekhmet, Sobek, Thoth) came from Egypt whereas the Gorilla god from Cameroon. There are even stories of Sekhmet travelling to Wakanda and challenging Tchalla for the throne

so gods travel and have babies too - having them appear in multiple cultures has already been done in Marvel canon

oh and Tiamut isnt Tiamat (Marvel has Tiamat = Leviathan in the Annunaki pantheon)

 

[Umbran]

Also, Taweret wasn't a member of the group of gods that banished/petrified Khonshu, so my guess is that the same thing happened to her, and that these "dead gods" get sent to the Duat after being banished by the Ennead. And Taweret has some connection to the Duat in the mythology (possibly being a guardian of Ra as he sailed through the Duat at night).

Tawaret has aspects concerned with birth, protection, and purification, and thus effectively to rebirth after death in the afterlife. So, her presence is appropriate in mythological context.

 

[Umbran]

Indeed. Maybe the way it was presented before, that the gods decided to cease meddling in human affairs, with Khonshu and Ammit as the only holdouts, was inaccurate - perhaps it was only a small clique of the most powerful among them, and they imprisoned any dissenters.

Well, clearly, those others, by their actions, chose their fate. And so they chose to be put into stone, where they cease to meddle in human affairs.

Or are some of them actually divine/spiritual in nature?

What does that even mean? Really, what does it mean to be "divine"? How would you know someone was "actually divine"?

That's not so much a real question, as it is a note that the distinction is questionable. We have seen Dormammu in Doctor Strange. Is he a "spiritual being" or just a really powerful alien in a different dimension?

 

[Umbran]

Tiamut could just be a different person with the same name.

Note that the name for the Celestial came from Arishem, who isn't physically speaking. It is a form of telepathy. So, it could be a concept - someone whose body was used to create the Earth, who is also the primordial chaos to come - which basically translates to "Tiamut" as the brain/mind brings forth mythology to make sense of it.