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[dsfriii]

Dissension in the ranks!

Off with his head
Ok maybe not, he's still playtesting.

Off with his hands
Ok maybe not, he needs to roll dice.

Off with his feet
Ok maybe not, he needs to get to the game.

Ohhhh shoot :\

Fact is, not everyone is going to like the game and it may not be many people's cup-o-tea. But we do appreciate all the help the playtesters have given us and the well wishes we recieve from those who do not even intend to play the game.

I hope that people take a look at it though. It should be out soon. AND someone could graft the 3e lite on top of it??? Volunteers anyone?

This above is why I like the Troll Lord Guys and why I want to see C&C succeed. It is not my cup-o-tea. But I think they are working really hard on it. (Plus I am waiting for Castle Zagyg in any format. ) Yes I was lead to believe (it might have been my fault) that is was a lite version of 3e with some homage to the past editions. But what I found it was not what I was looking for.

That plus the community playtesting and on the forums had a very strong anti-3e view. (Not the Troll Lords crew though) which turned me off to being more proactive on the boards. But I keep up to date with what is going on and I say to everyone give it a chance and check out the game when it comes out.

 

[MerricB]

An anti-3E viewpoint is a problematic thing. I understand where it comes from, but those with it can be so vehement about it, there's no reasonable discussion that can be had.

It's a problem when you actually need to analyse a set of rules and see what works and what doesn't work - as much of a problem as being 100% behind 3E and ignoring the flaws in that system.

Cheers!

 

[johnsemlak]

An interesting thing is that C&C is drawing criticism from both the 3e crowd and the anti-3e crowd (see www.dragonsfoot.org for such criticism).

That may mean TLG is doing something right

Unfortunately, it may mean that TLG will come out with a system that will please neither group.

I hope for the former.

Of course, it's probably a mistake to divide potential C&Cers into just two groups anyway.

 

[Henry]

Upon thoroughly reading the Open Parts of the C&C Troll Boards a few weeks ago, I don't think it's complete anti-3E among the playtesters posting there; but it is more like 70% against/30% for. The parts they like, they really like - Base attack bonus, upwards scaling of AC, etc. But the parts they don't - skills and feats being the worst culprits - are seen as irredeemable for making a style of roleplay that is both rules-light and DM-friendly.

I will be very curious to see what they do with weapon proficiencies; this to me was a strong point of 3E, because I always had issues with fighters only knowing basic use of 4 different weapons, and having penalty with all others. The penalty was not large, but to me fighters should have broad knowledge of at least a half-dozen to a dozen weapons due to extended time training with multiple types. Also, the ideas behind proficiency styles introduced in the Complete Fighters Handbook in 2E (the precursor to 3E feats) were well-received by every AD&D gamer I ever gamed with. It would be a shame to retreat to the good old days of fighters having no weapon specialization nor any tricks they can perform with their weapons, other than just whacking away at the enemy for dice + str bonus damage.

 

[dsfriii]

I just want to stress. Check it out. The system has some nice aspects which I wish 3e had (fast combat). But the feel of the game system is not for me. Enough so that I will probably not buy it But the Troll Lords have done a really and I do want every one to at least check it out.

 

[Frostmarrow]

Time Projector/Randomizer

I think the whole concept of C&C looks great. If the system is as simple as they say over at Dragonsfoot then the following can be accomplished:

The statblock for an orc looks like this: Orc (5). Which basically means that you face an orc with 5 hp. The rest, in the words of David Hayter, "it's in the game". Right.

This might indicate that you won't even need a battlemat. It seems that the old school boys like it that way. The DM says "You enter a 10' by 10' room and you face an orc." The players, naturally, responds in chorus "I CHARGE!".

DM and players duke it out. M'key.

So, basically you don't even need a table. Except for something to roll dice on. Now, here is my award winning idea: (Well, I haven't won any awards for it just yet.) If you had a device for randomizing numbers as dice do without the need for a surface, you could play C&C sitting on cushions, in the pool or in bed or what have you. What you need is a Time Projector/Randomizer gadget. I don't know if any of these exists to day but wouldn't it be cool if everyone in the game had one of these?

You press a button and chose d20. You press a trigger and the device randomly projects a number from 1 to 20 on the wall! With big red letters for all to see.

If everybody's got one you could roll initiative on the wall and sort the order right there! Fantastic.

Can anyone of you yanks make one of these and sell it on the market or do you know of a device that can do this? For example there might be a USB-device of some kind that connects to a computer that does this. Simply do the randomizing in Excel or Pocket Excel and .. Well, you get the idea.

 

[Ron]

If it is anything close to a D&D Rules Cyclopedia with the updated SRD rules, I'll probably like it.

 

[MerricB]

I just want to stress. Check it out. The system has some nice aspects which I wish 3e had (fast combat). But the feel of the game system is not for me. Enough so that I will probably not buy it But the Troll Lords have done a really and I do want every one to at least check it out.

That sounds fair. I love reading new rule systems, even if I don't use them, and C&C looks interesting from a few viewpoints.

Also, if I know the system, I can convert the adventures to 3.5E all that easier.

Cheers!

 

[johnsemlak]

Also, if I know the system, I can convert the adventures to 3.5E all that easier.

Cheers!

I'm still hoping some sort of conversion booklet will be made available, to be used with or without hte C&C PHB.

 

[MerricB]

I'm still hoping some sort of conversion booklet will be made available, to be used with or without hte C&C PHB.

If one isn't done, I might do some guidelines myself. Assuming enough of the work is OGC, of course!

Cheers!