MotW: Behold, I am the Elf/Dwarf, with a Prc at 2nd level!

[Zerovoid]

I was looking at the Forsaker PrC, in my new copy of Masters of the Wild. On an earlier thread, someone pointed out that this wins the award for the Prestige class that can be taken at the lowest level, since it can be taken at level 3. Actually, I think there is a way to get into it at level 2, but it ain't pretty. If you begin your career as a cleric, before forsaking all magic, you can get the feats you need as granted powers. From the FRCS, the Dwarf domain gives the Great Fortitude feat, and the Drow domain gives the Lightning Reflexes feat. Combined with the first level feat, and a possible human feat, this is more than enough to meet the Forsaker's only requirements of: Lightning Reflexes, Iron Will, and Great Fortitude. Now, some DM's might have problems with taking those racial domains, so if someone knows of a domain with Iron Will... I don't have my FRCS right now, so I can't remember if you can get that feat somehow, mentalism maybe.

On another note, if I played a Forsaker, I would get all my weapons and armor made out of Adamantine, to partially offset the no magic penalty. At first I thought this might be kind of cheap, but now I don't really think its very unbalanced. There are still plenty of other drawbacks to the class like not getting healed, and you have to spend your gold on something.

 

[Staldin*Freefall]

Those boys must go wild over Healing Balm (T&B) completely alchemical and only slightly less powerful than a CLW.

 

[RogueJK]

I don't have MotW yet, so I can't validate this, but wouldn't you lose your clerical domains when you forsake all magic? This would cause you to lose your domain abilities, IIRC.

So, you could possibly get 1 level of Forsaker (if your DM was generous), but you wouldn't be able to advance in levels because you no longer meet the prerequisites.

 

[CRGreathouse]

I don't have MotW yet, so I can't validate this, but wouldn't you lose your clerical domains when you forsake all magic?

Edit: I think you would - anything that makes you lose cleric powers makes you lose domain granted feats.

Plus, how would a human cleric have the dwarf and drow domains?

 

[Marshall]

Edit: I think you would - anything that makes you lose cleric powers makes you lose domain granted feats.

Plus, how would a human cleric have the dwarf and drow domains?

What have you done to lose your Cleric abilities?
So youre a Cleric that has sworn off the use of magic. Now unless your diety is the power of magic, He/She/It isnt going to care if you dont cast spells, turn undead, yada-yada. As long as you say your prayers before bedtime and attemp to convert the heathens youre still a cleric.

 

[RogueJK]

Doesn't the Forsaker swear off all magic, not just arcane magic? From what I've heard and read, I'm pretty sure the ban on magic applies to Divine magic, too. That means no magical healing, no clerical spells, no spells, period. The restriction also applies to abilities that use magic, such as Turning Undead.

I'm not sure if I know of any deity which would allow you to keep other special abilities granted by them after you have forsaken the main special power, in the form of spellcasting, that they have gifted you with. Well, maybe a deity of Not Caring and Uber-Forgiveness...

You're now no better than any other worshipper. Why should you have special power? Especially after refusing their spells that they so benevolently gave you.

Not to mention that, IMHO, it goes against the spirit of the PrC. The domain abilities can be seen as magically given to you by a deity, instead of being something that you trained for or were born with, like other feats.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Plus, how would a human cleric have the dwarf and drow domains?

An unaffiliate cleric can choose any two domains... and without a deity, there's nobody to get annoyed at him for not casting his spells...

-Hyp.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

If I`d be a god I would be happy about a cleric not wanting to cast spells FROM MY DIVINE ENERGY! If he still prays like a good follower and still works for me and my ideas of what the world should be, than I would let him this weak powers, since this would be the easiest and cheapiest way to let him still believe in my power.

The question is: What does a Forsaker after his 10 Prestige Class Levels (He will have reached it at 11th level?)?

 

[dvvega]

Just a question brought up by a previous post ... if you have the prerequisites for a PrC, become that class and then lose the prerequisites, it wouldn't make you lose that PrC would it?

Those are prerequisites to BECOME the class, not to continue in the class. Or am I missing something?

As an aside regarding Dwarf and Drow domains ... no "sane" DM is going to allow a combination like that

 

[Wolfspider]

An unaffiliate cleric can choose any two domains... and without a deity, there's nobody to get annoyed at him for not casting his spells...

Except the Dungeon Master (me) who thinks this entire exercise is rather foolish.

I enjoy coming up with power-plays and uber-combinations as much as the next person, but they have to make some kind of sense. I can't imagine any HUMAN character becoming a cleric of the ideals of drow and dwarf. I also can't imagine a cleric forsaking his abilities (which are to be used promoting his deity, after all) and being allowed to continue as a member of the priesthood.

PC: "I reject all magic! I don't need anything else but the power in my own limbs and my own mind! I am...a Forsaker!"

PC's (former) Deity: "You don't need anything? Not even the god that gave you the mighty abilties that let you make such an arrogant boast? Then you are also Forsaken. ZAP!!!"

PC: "Oh no! My kewl powerz!" *sobs*