MotW: Deepwood Sniper.

[Paladin]

RogueJK,

Thanks for the info! Where did you get your copy of MotW? I'm in Waxahachie, I figure I might be able to get it from the same place.

 

[RogueJK]

I don't have it yet. I got my info from a guy on the Wizards of the Coast board who has an advance copy. Sorry.

I'm still waiting for Lone Star Comics or Talon Comics to get their shipments. I'll probably be visiting Derek on Friday.

 

[Cake Mage]

ok let me do some calculating and thinking here. (ug...head...hurt)
so with the sniper ability to get a 19-20/x5, and then you have improved crit so its 18-20/x5, and keen 17-20/x5, weapon focus and point blank shot +2 17-20/x5, +4 str bow +6 17-20/x5 +5 enchantment on bow +11 17-20/x5, +5 on arrows +16 17-20/x5, thats to hit. dmg its is going to be +17 with weapon spec and if you crit thats a min of (18x5=90). 90 friggin poinst of dmg. thats insane now thats one hit at min dmg. no if you hit with 5 attacks, cuase you can with rapid shot and BAB of 16/11/6/1 max dmag on a crit w/every hit is (27x5=135x5=675)

why is this looking like a computer rpg?

 

[SpikeyFreak]

I'll stop posting before I look stuff up now.

--Not-So-Keen Spikey

 

[Ysgarran]

ok let me do some calculating and thinking here. (ug...head...hurt)
so with the sniper ability to get a 19-20/x5, and then you have improved crit so its 18-20/x5, and keen 17-20/x5, weapon focus and point blank shot +2 17-20/x5, +4 str bow +6 17-20/x5 +5 enchantment on bow +11 17-20/x5, +5 on arrows +16 17-20/x5, thats to hit. dmg its is going to be +17 with weapon spec and if you crit thats a min of (18x5=90). 90 friggin poinst of dmg. thats insane now thats one hit at min dmg. no if you hit with 5 attacks, cuase you can with rapid shot and BAB of 16/11/6/1 max dmag on a crit w/every hit is (27x5=135x5=675)

why is this looking like a computer rpg?

A quick note, the 'Keen Arrows' ability that increases the threat range to 19-20 from 20 for a longbow does not stack with any other keen ability. They do explicitly state that in the description. I'm guessing the 'keen edge' ability (which seems to be dropped from the text) increases the threat range again. I'm guessing that the 'keen edge' ability will not stack with any other keen ability...

Don't get me wrong, I think there is potential for abuse, but your example overstates it a bit.

 

[CRGreathouse]

The Str bow won't add to the attack roll, and only one of the attacks will get the Power Critical.

 

[Cake Mage]

oh well its a little better then

 

[Ysgarran]

I took Excel Spikey's damage calculator spreadsheet and ran some quick numbers of an arcane archer (6 Fighter/1 Wizard/5 Arcane Archer) vs a Deepwoods Sniper (1 Ranger/4 Fighter/7 Deepwood Sniper) just to see what the expected damage would be.

Both have stats of:
str 16, dex 20, con 10, int 12, wis 14, char 8.
Both have the feats of:
Improved Critical, Wpn Focus, wpn specialization and Point Blank Shot.
Both have a +3 Keen Bow of Might (+3).

Arcane Archer:
Attack Bonus: 23
Damage: 1d8 + 11 18-20/x3

Deepwood Sniper:
Attack Bonus: 21
Damage: 1d8 + 8 18-20/x5

Against an AC 20 opponent the expected damage at a range of 50' is:
(this is average damage with crits averaged in with full attack option).
Deepwood Sniper:
average damage: 48 points
with one confirmed crit: 91 points
Arcane Archer:
average damage: 52.39 points.
with one confirmed crit: 79.74

At a range of 20' (increases attack bonus and damage by +1):
Deepwood Sniper:
average damage: 54 points
with one confirmed crit: 100.9
Arcane Archer:
average damage: 60.28 points.
with one confirmed crit: 91.19

EDIT:
I made some mistakes (pointed out by Hypersmurf) in the number crunching. I've fixed the numbers and dropped the erroneous conclusions. Still might be some errors left but it is much closer to what it should be.

 

[Cake Mage]

now mix the sniper and the order of the bow init. together say like total lvl of 15 or so. what some nasty stuff you can come up with?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Both have a +3 Keen Bow of Might (+3).

Arcane Archer:
Attack Bonus: 20
Damage: 1d8 + 8 18-20/x3

Deepwood Sniper:
Attack Bonus: 21
Damage: 1d8 + 8 18-20/x5

Now if you drop the bow down to just a Keen Bow of Might(+3). This lets the arcane archer take advantage of his +3 arrow enhancement ability.

Misconception.

The enhancement bonuses of magical bows and arrows stack.

Using a +3 bow, the Arcane Archer can imbue his arrows to +3, and get +6 attack and damage.

So the stats up there should be

Arcane Archer
Attack Bonus 23
Damage 1d8 + 11 18-20/x3

The only time the enhancements are not considered to stack is for the purpose of defeating DR. A +5 bow firing normal arrows can't beat DR 30/+1, while a normal bow firing +1 arrows can.

-Hyp.