D&D (2024) The Half-Casting Warlock is bad at combat

So I've been complaining for a while, but decided to run some numbers on the warlock combat experience and it was even worse than I thought. Essentially my calculations showed that from levels 1-10 (i.e. where statistics show 90% of the game is played):
  • It is almost never worth casting a spell in combat before level 9
  • The Eldritch Blasting Warlock is an inferior Archery Ranger in combat. (And for all the Warlock's out of combat utility the Ranger has a lot too)

It's almost never worth casting a Standard Action levelled spell in combat before level 9

This came from an analysis of Eldritch Blast plus Agonizing Blast damage and comparing it to benchmark spells of the right level.

From levels 1-4
You only get first level spells, and Eldritch Blast plus Agonizing Blast plus Hex does d10 + 3 + 1d6 Force damage (average 12 - or 13 at level 4 if you sorted your stats and feat correctly). Good benchmark first level spells include Chaos Bolt (2d8+d6 = 12.5) and Chromatic Orb (3d8 = 13.5). And while these do do more damage than Eldritch Blast they don't do enough to make it worth burning one of your only 2-3 spell slots unless you have an exceptional set up (for example three people under a Burning Hands).

From levels 5-8
You should have hit your casting stat of 18 at level 4, and you get your second ray on the Eldritch Blast any more, meaning that your first level standard action spells are competing with something twice as powerful as something that used to be able to compete with them. But you now have second level spells. How does the upgraded Eldritch Blast do against the second level spells? Eldritch Blast is doing 2*(d10+4) damage (average 19). Scorching Ray meanwhile does 3*2d6 (average 21) Acid Arrow does 4d4 + 2d4 damage (average 15). Heat Metal does 2d8, then 2d8 as a bonus action (no save) so uses concentration and takes two rounds to catch up. I'm not saying that Eldritch Blast is better than these spells, of course. But I'm saying that the difference between a two-beam Eldritch Blast with Agonizing Blast even without Hex and a second level spell is so minor that it's very rarely worth wasting one of your 2-3 2nd level spell slots on.

There are basically four combat spells that aren't standard actions; Hex to increase your damage, Misty Step to make a quick escape, Shield for when someone attacks you, and Hellish Rebuke for when they actually hit you. And you're far too squishy to want that to happen.

It is therefore entirely possible to play a half-caster warlock, to build for combat, and to never have cast a spell in combat other than Hex for the entire duration of levels 1-8.

As an aside Hex got savagely nerfed because the ill thought through change to warlock casting clearly wasn't communicated to the design team. Hex lasting for 8 hours as a third level spell makes sense because fifth level warlocks can't cast it at a lower level than that. If Hex scales with the number of beams in your Eldritch Blast (as it would with Pact Magic) it's an overall slight buff. But if you don't have those high level slots then Hex only adding to the first attack means it doesn't help your second beams at all.

The Eldritch Blast Warlock is an inferior Archery Ranger in combat at level 10 and below

This works by pretty simple symmetry.

Longbow + Archery Style > Eldritch Blast + Agonizing Blast
This is a matter of symmetry with the Ranger winning at just about every single point.
  • D10 + Stat Modifier (Agonizing Blast) < d8 + Stat Modifier Damage with +2 to hit (Archery style)
  • Hex < Hunter's Mark. Hunter's Mark applies to both arrows at level 5. Hunter's Mark also doesn't require concentration
  • Spell Sniper < Sharpshooter (they're almost mirrors but the 600ft range without Disadvantage beats the extra 60ft of range). And then there's Crossbow Expert.
  • Damage buffs from the subclass. At least Hunter in D&Done and all the others except Beastmaster in current 5e.
  • Better magic gear; the Rod of the Pact Keeper requires attunement unlike basic magic weapons and there isn't much else to improve Eldritch Blast. Archers have basic unattuned bows, special bows, bracers of archery, and probably more.
This all adds up. Eldritch Blast before level 11 is simply slightly worse in a whole lot of ways than a ranger with a longbow all of which stack with each other.

Even level 11's third attack is at best barely enough to catch up

For a worked level 11 example we can let the the Warlock has a +2 Pact Rod and the ranger a +2 generic weapon and bracers of archery; both are using one attunement slot and similar rarity (the bracers only being uncommon). Both have a primary stat of 19, which is going to go up to 20 with the Level 12 feat (having started at 15+2 at level 1).
  • Warlock: 3 * (5.5 + 4 (stat) + 2 (pact weapon)) attacks + 3.5 (L1 Hex) = 38
  • Ranger (with longbow not XBE). 2x(4.5 + 4 (stat) + 2 (Weapon) +2 (Bracers of Archery) +3.5 (Hunter's Mark)) + d8 (Hunter L3 feature) - 35.5 damage with the +2 to hit from Archery Style
Even the 50% damage boost at level 11 has only just brought the warlock back to around parity and I think with the +2 to hit from the Archery style the ranger is still significantly ahead. That's how far behind the warlock fell by level 10 in terms of ability to shoot vs ability with a longbow.

The Ranger's spells actually help you inflict damage

As mentioned Hunter's Mark >> OneD&D Hex. But it goes way beyond that; the only pre-L9 spell that clearly increases your damage is Hellish Rebuke, and that requires being hit. Rangers have "Smite Spells" like Ensnaring Strike and Hail of Thorns that don't compete with shooting people with arrows, but allow you to shoot them and have an extra effect.

Fundamentally this is part of a core problem that the Ranger's spells were mostly designed for the ranger to be ... a ranger. The spells on the arcane list (with the notable exception of Hellish Rebuke) were either designed for a full casting wizard/sorcerer or a pact magic warlock and all need tweaking for this sort of change to work at all.

And although it's not impossible to make the case that the warlock has more out of combat utility from invocations and the pact boon than the ranger does overall the ranger is still, well, a ranger, with Expertise and utility both from casting and non-casting.

This isn't to say there are no improvements from going half-caster; predictability of power level is one, and the other is Shield works as defensive tech when the existing Warlock defensive invocations don't (Mage Armour on a caster that can wear armour? As a full invocation? And False Life is fine at low level but needs to be tweaked into something that scales; there also needs to be Hellish-Rebuke-as-an-Invocation).
 
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I appreciate all the work and number-crunching... but the question I have though is that isn't pretty much EVERYBODY inferior to an Archery character in combat? Hasn't that been the clarion call of all the people who have said Dexterity needs to be nerfed or melee needs to be buffed over the last 9 years? That the only really worthwhile combat technique is for a party made up of nothing but ranged characters firing on the enemies and never engaging? So I dunno if comparing a Warlock to an Archery Ranger really says a whole lot regarding the Warlock's abilities in combat.
 

mellored

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Someone that puts all it's feats and magic items into damage...
Will do more damage than someone that doesn't?

Seems fine to me.

Also, the warlock can just stick Gaze of Two Minds on a rogue/monk or a paladin. And blast people from a long way away.
 

I appreciate all the work and number-crunching... but the question I have though is that isn't pretty much EVERYBODY inferior to an Archery character in combat? Hasn't that been the clarion call of all the people who have said Dexterity needs to be nerfed or melee needs to be buffed over the last 9 years? That the only really worthwhile combat technique is for a party made up of nothing but ranged characters firing on the enemies and never engaging? So I dunno if comparing a Warlock to an Archery Ranger really says a whole lot regarding the Warlock's abilities in combat.
I feel that the reason that the warlock was compared to an archery ranger is that they are both half-caster classes with a strong emphasis on their at-will attacks.
Passive-aggressive posturing aside, the classes are built to do similar things in combat and are the most similar in general capabilities.
 

Sir Brennen

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My current warlock forgoes Agonizing Blast in favor of Repelling Blast, and it's been... umm... a blast. I've killed a significant number of opponents just by pushing them off of stuff rather than direct HP damage. Plus it's come in handy tactically in other ways far more than just shooting someone with an arrow would.

How do you figure that kind of thing in your calculations?
 
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My current warlock forgoes Agonizing Blast in favor of Repelling Blast, and it's been... umm... a blast. I've killed a significant number of opponents just by pushing them off of stuff rather than direct HP damage. Plus it's come in handy tactically in other ways far more than just shooting someone with an arrow would.

How do you figure that kind of thing in your calculations?
A Ranger will have access to the weapon Mastery system. They can use Push with their Longbow for a similar effect.
 

mellored

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A Ranger will have access to the weapon Mastery system. They can use Push with their Longbow for a similar effect.
Rangers are "experts", not "martials". So they won't get it.

Only fighters can swap the effects around.

Well... rangers could spend 2 feats on crossbow expert and then weapon mastery, and push with heavy crossbows.

Still. That's limited to 2 attacks, where warlock can push up to 4 times.
 

Hex got savagely nerfed because the ill thought through change to warlock casting clearly wasn't communicated to the design team. Hex lasting for 8 hours as a third level spell makes sense because fifth level warlocks can't cast it at a lower level than that. If Hex scales with the number of beams in your Eldritch Blast (as it would with Pact Magic) it's an overall slight buff. But if you don't have those high level slots then Hex only adding to the first attack means it doesn't help your second beams at all.
I thought Hex got buffed when I saw it scale to 2d6 and 3d6 and I was pumped... then I saw the half caster thing and it sucks.

At Higher Levels. When you cast this spell using a Spell Slot of 3rd or 4th level, you can maintain your concentration on the spell for up to 8 hours, and the extra damage increases to 2d6. When you use a Spell Slot of 5th level or higher, you can maintain your concentration on the spell for up to 24 hours, and the extra damage increases to 3d6.
You don't get 3rd level slots until 9th level and you don't get 5th until 17th.
 

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I feel that the reason that the warlock was compared to an archery ranger is that they are both half-caster classes with a strong emphasis on their at-will attacks.
Passive-aggressive posturing aside, the classes are built to do similar things in combat and are the most similar in general capabilities.
Well, if the intent is to indicate why the Warlock being a half-caster is a bad idea... comparing it to the supposed "best" damage dealer / survivalist in combat doesn't necessarily make for the greatest argument. Because a likely response from WotC would be "In truth the Archery Ranger should probably be debuffed in this case, not the Warlock brought up to match."
 


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