Movement and attacks with haste

[Mordeth]

Question: 6th level fighter Base attack +6 +1

Wizard cast haste upon him.

He then wants to "as normal round action" attack one time, move 15 feet, and then "as hasted partial action," attack again... ie... one attack, move, one attack.

I have been told that Skip Williams said in Sage Advice in Dragon, that this wasnt allowed. Is haste usless as a means to get "ONE" extra attack?
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If this is true, then could you as per normal round, take full attack option, 5 foot step, the as haste partial, attack again? Assume all targets are the same.

Any thoughts on this? Thanks alot.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

Haste grants you an extra partial action. You may make an attack, move, do a move equivalent action, etc. The attack-move-attack is just fine if you are hasted. I am unaware of any sage advice to the contrary.

 

[Mordeth]

I agree

Any chance anyone knows of a offical source, errata ect... that I can show this player... I do hate to bust out the "If ya dont like it ..."

 

[Happiest_Sadist]

Yes to both. The no multiple attacks w/o full attack is per action not per round.

He can Attack (normal std action) move (normal move cation) Attack (bonus partial action).

 

[kreynolds]

I have been told that Skip Williams said in Sage Advice in Dragon, that this wasnt allowed.

It's allowed. If you heard different, and I'll quote Peter Parker here, "Somebody lied".

If this is true, then could you as per normal round, take full attack option, 5 foot step, the as haste partial, attack again?

Absolutely. Haste gives you a partial action. You can perform anything that fits within a partial action.

 

[Artoomis]

Haste gives you an extra partial action. This kind of splits youir round into two parts - well, mostly.

I think the Sage has ruled:

1. Only 1 5-foot step per round, even when hasted.

2. If you charge in either the regular or extra partail action, ALL your movement must be in a straight line (not just your movement while charging (or partial charging).

3. You may combine the regular action and the extra partial action to cast a spell with a full-round casting time.

Other than that, the partial action and regular action are independent.

 

[Mordethdenied]

Dragon Issue 280-Sage Advice by Skip Williams states:

Q: If a character has multiple attacks and becomes hasted, would he only recieve one extra attack per round? What if he had two weapons? Would he get two extra attacks (one with each weapon)? What happens when a character has two weapons and uses the attack or charge action rather than a full-attack action? Does the character attack once with each weapon or just once?

A: You can attack only once with a partial or standard action, no matter how many weapons you have. You've got to use the full-attack action (a full round action) to get any additional attacks to which you might have.

This info is also in the D&D Frequently asked questions under the Spells section.

Now according to the PHB (p.124) under Full Attack Actions, If you get more than one attack per action because your base attack bonus is high enough, because you fight with two weapons . . ., or for some special reason (such as a feat or magic item (or in this case, haste)), you must use the full attack action.

Since a full attack action is a full round action (which consumes all your effort during a round), they only movement you can take during a full round action is a 5 foot step before, during, or after.

In the case of our 6th level fighter that would mean: First Attack, Second Attack, Move(5 foot step only), Haste Attack.

But wait, there are more possibilities: First Attack, Move(5 foot only), Second Attack, Haste Attack - or Move(5 foot only), First Attack, Second Attack, Haste Attack, etc. But, he could not Standard Attack, Move(More than 5 foot step), Haste Attack or First Attack, Hasted Move(More than 5 foot step), Second Attack because to get multiple attack for any reason you must take a full-attack action.

Sleep tight Mordeth

 

[Caliber]

Dragon Issue 280-Sage Advice by Skip Williams states:

A: You can attack only once with a partial or standard action, no matter how many weapons you have. You've got to use the full-attack action (a full round action) to get any additional attacks to which you might have.

I believe you are reading this wrong. The way it looks to me, he isn't saying you need to use a full-attack action to get an extra Haste attack. He is saying, to get extra attacks per round (ie from high BAB or from two weapons) you would need to use a full-attack action, which takes a full round. Since Haste only provides a Partial Action, you cannot get any of your extra attacks in your Haste 'round'.

You can attack as a Standard Action, move your full movement as a Movement Action, and then attack again with the Haste Partial Action.

 

[Mordethdenied]

I am afraid you did not read all of my text:

Now according to the PHB (p.124) under Full Attack Actions, If you get more than one attack per action because your base attack bonus is high enough, because you fight with two weapons . . ., or for some special reason (such as a feat or magic item (or in this case, haste)), you must use the full attack action.

To get any extra attacks, no matter the circumstance, you must use the full attack action. And when using a full attack action you can only move a 5 foot step.

He could Attack, Move (More than a 5 foot step), and take a hasted action (though it could not be another attack, for then he would have to of chosen to do a full-attack action because if you get more than one attack per action for some special reason, in this case haste, you must use a full-attack action.

 

[kreynolds]

He could Attack, Move (More than a 5 foot step), and take a hasted action (though it could not be another attack, for then he would have to of chosen to do a full-attack action because if you get more than one attack per action for some special reason, in this case haste, you must use a full-attack action.

Dead wrong in the case of Haste. Haste grants you an extra partial action in addition to your normal actions for the round. You can do anything with a partial action that you can do with a standard action (minus a full move). So, using your haste partial action, you can make a single attack, take a move, take a move-equivalent action, cast a 1-action spell, etc, etc, etc. This is in addition to whatever actions you take for your "normal" round.

Do yourself a favor and save yourself from embarrasment by immediately conceding that you are wrong in your assumptions. Trust me. You'll thank me for it.