moving in combat

[laiyna]

hi,

I need an answer on a rule question that is not clear at home.

the next situation exist. number 1 is feighting number 4, and number 3 is feighting number 6 (and visaversa)

1 2 3
4 5 6

The numbers 1 to 6 are PC/NPC, now is 2 a cleric. The cleric walks 5 feet back creating the next situation and cast hold person on number 5:

- 2
1 - 3
4 5 6

Will the wizard get attacks of opertunity?

In this case number 5 is effected by the spell and the cleric is walking back with his 5 feet movement to his original place. creating the next situation:

1 2 3
4 5 6

Will this cause attacks of opertunity on the cleric? Note that the cleric is not casting a spell nouw, just defending himself and attack number 5. (no charge, just a standard attack action and a standard move action).

Thanks,

Lai

 

[AGGEMAM]

The cleric can't move-cast-move, unless he is hasted.

That I assume ends the question.

 

[Zhure]

I'm a little confused about the question, let me try to rephrase it a little.


WCF
NHN

W= Wizard, C= Cleric, F= Fighter, N= NPC, H= Held (not yet, but will be)

Cleric takes a 5'-step back and casts Hold Person.

-C-
W-F
MHN

Stepping back five feet doesn't provoke an attack, assuming it's only a 5-step. Casting the spell provokes an AoO, unless it's cast defensively.

However, the Cleric is done for the round, unless he's Hasted. One cannot cast and move and do a 5'-step.

If the cleric moves 5 feet and casts, both the casting and the moving provoke AoO. A 5'-move is different than a 5'-step. Unless you have a special feat (like Ride-By Attack, or Spring Attack, or Shot on the Run) you can't move-cast-move anyway, so in this case the cleric should do a 5'-step instead of a 5'-move.

Hope that makes sense,

Greg

 

[Dr. Zoom]

The cleric steps back 5 feet and casts a spell. The 5 foot step does not provoke an AoO because 5 foot steps never provoke an AoO. The casting of the spell provokes an AoO from anyone who threatens the cleric. You did not say which was the wizard, but I am assuming it is number 5. If it is number 5, then the cleric does not provoke an AoO by casting the spell unless 4, 5, or 6 have reach.

As others have said, after casting the spell, the cleric is done for the round, at least as far as movement goes. He may still take a move-equivalent action, however. He cannot move back to where he started until his next turn. On his next turn, he may take a 5 foot step forward, which does not provoke an AoO, and then make a full attack against number 5. He does not have to use the standard action here because he only needs a 5 foot step to threaten number 5. If he gets multiple attacks, in other words, he may step up and take them all. This assumes his weapon has been ready. If not, he must draw it as a move-equivalent action. In that case, he only gets one attack, and it is a standard action.

 

[Porter Thornwalker]

I'm a little confused about the question, let me try to rephrase it a little.


WCF
NHN

W= Wizard, C= Cleric, F= Fighter, N= NPC, H= Held (not yet, but will be)

Cleric takes a 5'-step back and casts Hold Person.

-C-
W-F
MHN

Stepping back five feet doesn't provoke an attack, assuming it's only a 5-step. Casting the spell provokes an AoO, unless it's cast defensively.

However, the Cleric is done for the round, unless he's Hasted. One cannot cast and move and do a 5'-step.

If the cleric moves 5 feet and casts, both the casting and the moving provoke AoO. A 5'-move is different than a 5'-step. Unless you have a special feat (like Ride-By Attack, or Spring Attack, or Shot on the Run) you can't move-cast-move anyway, so in this case the cleric should do a 5'-step instead of a 5'-move.

Hope that makes sense,

Greg

I don't think they'd get an AoO even if the cleric did a 5' move back to that location. None of the opponents threaten that space, and the space the cleric begins in is considered a non threatened space. The cleric (being a chicken) could move back 30' and then cast a spell without AoO from the way I read the rules.

Please correct me if I'm wrong... I'd like to see where I've been mistaken.

(edit)
I think, after reading your message again, I understand what your saying. Your just saying that the cleric can't move 5', cast, then move 5' again... gotcha

 

[AGGEMAM]

I don't think they'd get an AoO even if the cleric did a 5' move back to that location. None of the opponents threaten that space, and the space the cleric begins in is considered a non threatened space. The cleric (being a chicken) could move back 30' and then cast a spell without AoO from the way I read the rules.

Please correct me if I'm wrong... I'd like to see where I've been mistaken.

Ok, I'll correct you then shall I.

You're in a threatened area, right? If you move out of that area and move than 5 feet, you'll get AoO from all three!*

*If not all you do for the entire round is to move.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

I don't think they'd get an AoO even if the cleric did a 5' move back to that location. None of the opponents threaten that space, and the space the cleric begins in is considered a non threatened space. The cleric (being a chicken) could move back 30' and then cast a spell without AoO from the way I read the rules.

Please correct me if I'm wrong... I'd like to see where I've been mistaken.

The space the cleric begins in is only considered unthreatened if all the cleric does for his entire round is move but not run (PH page 122). If the cleric moves 30 feet and casts a spell, his initial move provokes an AoO from 4, 5, and 6 (I am assuming that 1 and 3 are his allies).

The reason the cleric does not provoke an AoO for stepping back 5 feet is because a 5 foot step never provokes an AoO. Once taken, however, the cleric cannot move again until his next turn.

 

[Porter Thornwalker]

Isn't the space you start in considered a "non-threatened" square?

 

[AGGEMAM]

Isn't the space you start in considered a "non-threatened" square?

Only if all you for the entire round is move, or if you take a 5-foot-step.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

No. It is only considered non-threatened if all you do for your entire round is move but not run. This would include a double move. This is essentially a withdraw maneuver.

If you move within or out of a threatened space, you provoke an AoO. The exception is when all you do is move but not run, or take a 5 foot step.