My 7th level party just killed a young adult dragon!
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Holy Bovine
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reapersaurus said:Holy crap, Holy Bovine, would you get OFF the troll-kick?
Agreeing with someone in the Meta board that Trolls Suck is NOT trolling.
Saying I think high level mages are overpowered and that sneak attack is too strong if allowed more than one a round is NOT trolling.
That's my serious belief in the type of game I prefer to play.
I will quote my first post: "Yet another reason why NOT to allow Polymorph Other in a campaign."
THAT'S inflammatory?
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Well, considering the inflamed reactions it got it could be seen as trolling.
But that's not really important. You don't like 'instant' kill spellls that's fine but you can't really expect everyone (or anyone) else to accept that. If that's the way you play the game that's great - everyone gets to do their own thing but it probably would have helped (a little) if you had explained a little more in your original post.
Anyway no harm done (I hope - if I have insulted you I am sorry - honestly I was just having a little fun, admittedly at your expense).
Tom Cashel
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True. All that work....then they die. Ah, well......
And yes, that's good 'ol Elijah Snow. Still waiting for that next issue...
And yes, that's good 'ol Elijah Snow. Still waiting for that next issue...
Dieter
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For the record.
Ok, I'm getting on the bus a little late in the journey, but I AM the DM who ran this game. I've found the comments quite entertaining since everyone thinks that this was s a troll. I can confirm that this was a real event.
I have to comment on what had happened, because afterall, I was running the show.
1) The battle had all the characters ready for an ambush, despite a few hints given out along the way. I've never run a dragon using 3e rules, so I thought what better way to introduce them into the game with a nice ambush.
2) The dragon emerged from the murky water and used its breath weapon on two of the 4 party members (the cleric and rogue). I rolled 27pts of damage, not bad on 10d4. That was pretty much a surprise action, so I didn't want to go too hard on the PC's on the first turn. Remember, this was a CR 8 creature with 152 HP. Had I known his save vs. polymorph would have failed, I would have pressed the issue of the dragon going all-out on its first turn.
3) During the same round, the flying wizard casted polymorph on the dragon. Now this is what was NOT mentioned by my players (Glaurung and Thorntangle). The wizard was a specialist in transmutation, giving him a significantly higher DC for me to roll against rather than the normal check. The dragon in question had a FORT save of +13 and I had to beat a DC 24 (yes, Virginia, 24!) to save vs. polymorph. The odds on it working were about even and I wasn't too worried about the dragon making the save. So I rolled a damn 4...this stuff can and does happen in games.
4) Of course I can honestly say the battle was anticlimactic and that I was pretty damn pi$$ed. If you were in my DM-shoes, wouldn't you be??
5) I took it on the chin and gave the wizard the necessary kudos for a well-executed spell. I was bitter, but fair about the situation.
Thorntangle is an excellent player of spellcasters.
6) For the record, next round I was planning on casting darkness, then using the feat spring attack to jump up on to the island, use my six attacks, they slither down into the water on the other side of the island. Combine that with a breath weapon attack 1 round later, I honestly think there would have been a much different outcome.
7) Lesson learned, the hard way.
Ok, I'm getting on the bus a little late in the journey, but I AM the DM who ran this game. I've found the comments quite entertaining since everyone thinks that this was s a troll. I can confirm that this was a real event.
I have to comment on what had happened, because afterall, I was running the show.
1) The battle had all the characters ready for an ambush, despite a few hints given out along the way. I've never run a dragon using 3e rules, so I thought what better way to introduce them into the game with a nice ambush.
2) The dragon emerged from the murky water and used its breath weapon on two of the 4 party members (the cleric and rogue). I rolled 27pts of damage, not bad on 10d4. That was pretty much a surprise action, so I didn't want to go too hard on the PC's on the first turn. Remember, this was a CR 8 creature with 152 HP. Had I known his save vs. polymorph would have failed, I would have pressed the issue of the dragon going all-out on its first turn.
3) During the same round, the flying wizard casted polymorph on the dragon. Now this is what was NOT mentioned by my players (Glaurung and Thorntangle). The wizard was a specialist in transmutation, giving him a significantly higher DC for me to roll against rather than the normal check. The dragon in question had a FORT save of +13 and I had to beat a DC 24 (yes, Virginia, 24!) to save vs. polymorph. The odds on it working were about even and I wasn't too worried about the dragon making the save. So I rolled a damn 4...this stuff can and does happen in games.
4) Of course I can honestly say the battle was anticlimactic and that I was pretty damn pi$$ed. If you were in my DM-shoes, wouldn't you be??
5) I took it on the chin and gave the wizard the necessary kudos for a well-executed spell. I was bitter, but fair about the situation.
Thorntangle is an excellent player of spellcasters.
6) For the record, next round I was planning on casting darkness, then using the feat spring attack to jump up on to the island, use my six attacks, they slither down into the water on the other side of the island. Combine that with a breath weapon attack 1 round later, I honestly think there would have been a much different outcome.
7) Lesson learned, the hard way.
Dragons learn while still in the eggs and afterwards when they are raised by there parents. Dragons might not be sociable creatures, but even the evil dragons raise their children for a short while. I base this information on two AD&D sources: "Council of Wyrms" and the FR book "The Dragonicon"(sp?).
Personally, I would have dealt with it just as this DM did. I would grumble and then leave it at that for that moment. Of course, it would have repercursions in the campaign world (depending on how well known this particular event would be in the world).
Personally, I would have dealt with it just as this DM did. I would grumble and then leave it at that for that moment. Of course, it would have repercursions in the campaign world (depending on how well known this particular event would be in the world).
Wolfspider
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But what was the dragon turned into?!? 
Tom Cashel
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I thought it was a worm.
Wolfspider
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Oh...duh...that's right...and I even commented on it being a worm.
It's been a long morning.
It's been a long morning.
Dieter
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The dragon was changed into a worm (no, not a Wyrm). I was about to call the wizard out on this question of symantics, but he clarified...worm, not wyrm.
While I'm still bitter about the whole idea of being able to turn a quite formidable creature into something, the DC and save vs. was fairly reasonable. I just screwed up at the worst time possible.
While I'm still bitter about the whole idea of being able to turn a quite formidable creature into something, the DC and save vs. was fairly reasonable. I just screwed up at the worst time possible.
Wolfspider
Explorer
Well, dragons were known as worms as well...so....
What ever happened to the worm, by the way?
What ever happened to the worm, by the way?
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