New Excerpts - Tome of Battle & Dragons of Faerun

Faraer said:
Especially as there's Draconomicon and Dragon Magic which aren't about Faerûn.
Both are generic and are applicable to Faerun as anywhere.

I think DoF being so apparently setting-specific is a mixed bag for FR fans: On the one hand, it's cool that they get a big infodump of stuff about their preferred setting. On the other hand, since sales to non-FR types will likely be lower, it means such books are less profitable than generic supplements and, thus, less likely to be produced in the future. It's a delicate balancing act, I suspect.
 

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VirgilCaine said:
That CAN be thrown, not that they can throw them. I dunno. It still means the worst they could get is...hmmm. PBS+Far Shot means you've got 30' feet on a spear or trident at first level, adding in magic spells or magic weapons would mean, say...60'? 90'? Not that far at high levels.
If you are proficient with a weapon that can be thrown then you are proficient with it as a thrown weapon. Nothing in the description says that this is an expection and to my reading it seems to be confirming that weapons that work both ways are fully allowed.
 

BryonD said:
If you are proficient with a weapon that can be thrown then you are proficient with it as a thrown weapon. Nothing in the description says that this is an expection and to my reading it seems to be confirming that weapons that work both ways are fully allowed.

Yes, I suppose you are right. Still, not that bad.
 

Whiz,

I think it's always that way when it comes to producing setting material. At least it certainly can be about 50% of the time.

In any event I like what's being offered for Dragons of Faerun, since that's what its supposed to be about. I just wish there had been a little more thorough read through over some of the changes that the history section made. Other than that, go Orcus! ;)
 

Whizbang Dustyboots said:
Both are generic and are applicable to Faerun as anywhere.

I think DoF being so apparently setting-specific is a mixed bag for FR fans: On the one hand, it's cool that they get a big infodump of stuff about their preferred setting. On the other hand, since sales to non-FR types will likely be lower, it means such books are less profitable than generic supplements and, thus, less likely to be produced in the future. It's a delicate balancing act, I suspect.

It's certainly possible that sales will go that way, though I hope that doesn't end up being the case. I am the PR & Marketing Manager for Silven, but I don't have any influence over WOTC's marketing. Do keep in mind, however, that a lot of people will find use in big dragon stat blocks, traps, spells, monsters, and lair hazards. The history of the Cult of the Dragon and the followers of Tiamat (along with the lore on the Rage and other history) may be less applicable, but a big chunk of the book is more than usable no matter what setting you use.
 

Eytan,

My only gripe was you and Eric broke Orcus' wand! :p :) Otherwise I'm VERY happy with this book. :D
 
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Considering I've seen Barbarians deal out over 100 damage in one round at 10th level, I'm not so sure the Warblade outshines all other melee classes. Knight and Duskblade should be very well be able to keep up with the Warblade (considering they have a different focus).

That leaves the Warblade outpowering classes like fighter, ranger, monk, swashbuckler, which where always on the low power anyway. Is a fighter that can keep up with wizards really that terrible?

The only thing I think is out there is the d12 HD. There's really no reason for that whatsoever.
 

Eytan Bernstein said:
Very few of the dragons in the book are like that. Tchazzar is basically a demigod. People worship him and get divine spells. He has 12 levels in Dragon Ascendant, a PrC that grants you deific status at the end. That makes him the most powerful evil dragon in the world. The rest of the dragons have normal CRs in relation to the Monster Manual. Some have levels, but few approach the one in this example.

Right... but the same thing can be said of the Demon Princes (replace Tchazzar with Orcus, and dragon with demon in your quote above). It still makes perfect sense - except maybe the bit about the Demon Ascendent PrC - but I'm sure if there was such a thing, Orcus would have it.

Still doesn't address my gripe - which is basically that WotC doesn't seem to be able to stay internally consistent. I mean, is the game (and therefore the threats) targetted at levels 1-20 or not nowadays?

Don't get me wrong - I don't have a problem (well, at least not a huge one) with the demon princes being nerfed, or the demigod dragon, on their own. What I do have a problem with is that if all the demon princes decided to go on holiday to Faerun, they'd get their collective butts handed to them by a dragon. Mind you, I suppose Faerun was always going to have that problem with Elminster and the sisters, I just was of the opinion that WotC had changed their minds about that kind of silliness. I guess I was wrong.
 
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Gold Roger said:
Considering I've seen Barbarians deal out over 100 damage in one round at 10th level, I'm not so sure the Warblade outshines all other melee classes.

True, but the maneuver does +100 damage, and I'm assuming a 10th level warblade, with a full attack and power attack will be every bit as lethal as a 10th level barbarian. Maybe slightly less because they have to diversify their stats, but the fact remains that with that +100 they'll be dealing more than an equivalent level barbarian every other round, and almost as much as one the other rounds, plus healing... (as long as my point above about being able to deal nearly as much as a Barbarian without using maneuvers holds - and I don't see why it wouldn't: more feats, the same BAB, plus the ability to tap into the fighter-only feats).

Mind you, we're talking 17th level here, not 10th, and any suitably tricked out 17th level character should be able to deal more than 100 points a round - the issue is that the Warblade seems to be able to do that, plus 100 points more than the others every other round, plus heal himself in the rounds when he's not dealing more damage. Sorry, but I don't see how that can possibly be balanced...
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