D&D (2024) New Spell: Befuddlement

[Weiley31]

Witchlight and MP:MotM doesn't list Magic actions

If it's magically enough, it will be effected.

 

[mellored]

Witchlight and MP:MotM doesn't list Magic actions, do the newer adventures? It's not hard to ad hoc assign every time it comes up of them, but I thought that compatibility with previous adventures and bestiaries was one of the things Wizards was guaranteeing.

No adventures have come out since last week.

Magic Action is casting spells, activating magic items, ect... so any of those things in the adventures would count as one.

 

[Blue]

No adventures have come out since last week.

I mentioned Witchlight and Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse -- the books that changed the monsters from just spells -- and then asked about adventures since. I am unsure how you got last week.

Magic Action is casting spells, activating magic items, ect... so any of those things in the adventures would count as one.

Yes, and there are cases it isn't clear and the DM needs to make an ad hoc call.

Looking at some of the Duergar from MP:MotM:

Mind Mastery. The duergar targets one creature it can see within 60 feet of it. The target must succeed on a DC 12 Intelligence saving throw, or the duergar causes it to use its reaction, if available, either to make one weapon attack against another creature the duergar can see or to move up to 10 feet in a direction of the duergar's choice. Creatures that can't be charmed are immune to this effect.

Soulblade. Melee Spell Attack: +5 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 10 (2d6 + 3) force damage, or 13 (3d6 + 3) force damage while under the effect of Enlarge.

These are both psionic effects. According to your definition, the first is not a Magic action. Is the second because it says spell attack? Either way you answer it causes issues - there are a lot of things that aren't listed as spells except for Spell Attack that as DM I would rule as Magic actions, but if you use that then some psionics is magic and some is not - and the one marked spell attack is very similar to things like the Soulknife's power, which is not a spell. Unless you say they are both Magic actions, in which case the first is definitely outside your definition and again proves my point from a different direction.

It's not as simplistic as you say.

 

[MarkB]

I mentioned Witchlight and Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse -- the books that changed the monsters from just spells -- and then asked about adventures since. I am unsure how you got last week.

Magic actions didn't exist before the 2024 PHB came out on limited release last week, so no previously-published work would mention them.

 

[Blue]

Magic actions didn't exist before the 2024 PHB came out on limited release last week, so no previously-published work would mention them.

Yes... that's the point. One of the "this is the same edition!" was that it was going to be backward compatible with adventures and monster books. When they failed on actual compatibility where you can mix-and-match everything, and even limited what "backward compatibility" would mean not following the standard definition.

 

[Blue]

If it's magically enough, it will be effected.

Magically? Like will just happen without anyone interpreting the rules?

Or by DM making an ad hoc call each time, like I said? If so, why the need to comment?

 

[Shardstone]

No one has ever, ever gotten defensive or offended by "feeblemind."

 

[Mannahnin]

No one has ever, ever gotten defensive or offended by "feeblemind."

impairment in intellectual ability : intellectual disability. Note: The word feeble-mindedness, which is associated especially with eugenics practices of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, is no longer used in medical, educational, and regulatory contexts and is considered offensive.

Feeble-mindedness Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster​

 

[bedir than]

Magically? Like will just happen without anyone interpreting the rules?

Or by DM making an ad hoc call each time, like I said? If so, why the need to comment?

There has been, at times, mention of a conversion guide. Currently character creation is pretty darn easy -- take an origin feat, shift your subclass to 3rd level, move a thing to 1st or 2nd.
I'm hoping that guide is in the DMG, a thing we've heard next to nothing about.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Glad to see at least one offensive spell specifically for bullying spellcasters though!

I cast Extort Lunch Money.