D&D (2024) New stealth rules.

[Charlaquin]

there is always truesight... that is what I thought the 'somehow see you' means, instead it it meaning the creature does not have their eyes closed. Not sure what the 'somehow' is for then

Well, it also means truesight, if you’re under an effect that makes seeing you impossible without truesight.

 

[mellored]

But the condition above says you can be affected by effects (I.e. spells) and attacks if they can see you.

If they have See Invisibility or Truesight, then yes they can cast spells at you even if you succeed in your stealth check.

 

[pukunui]

RE: passive Perception - FWIW the ancient green dragon and kuo-toa statblocks shown in other threads both still have a passive Perception score listed under "Senses".

 

[Chaosmancer]

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DC 15, with cover, and turns you invisible.

Am I reading this right that you can hide around a corner and just walk past the guards at the front entrance?

No, you aren't reading it right. The hide action says it ends if the enemy finds you. Now, you could hide around a corner, wait til the guards are distracted, then slip past them. That would work. But you can't just stroll past them.

The condition isn't the spell.

 

[Charlaquin]

in that case I would have preferred it to be named 'hidden' and the entry 'invisible' to refer to it. At least that way the name is not completely nonsensical and backwards compatibility is maintained. They should have room for those two lines of text

I agree. And, I mean, I might just not be interpreting it correctly. Maybe the invisible condition is supposed to make you impossible to see without truesight on its own, and they really did mean for characters to be able to become literally invisible with mundane stealth. I suspect we’ll get a Sage Advice about this in pretty short order after the book releases, and maybe an errata if we’re lucky.

 

[Iosue]

other than the name of the condition itself

Under the current rules, you're not always prone when you have the Prone condition.

 

[Valetudo]

Invisible condition seems like the way they are trying to streamline the gamey side of dnd. If you don't like as a dm use 2014s or homebrew.

 

[mellored]

unless the creature can somehow see you.

See Invisibility, yes.

It doesn’t say they can’t see you. It says they can’t affect you with things that require them to see you (such as most spells) unless they can see you.

It doesn’t say only spells

Having a door slammed in your face is an effect too.

 

[TiQuinn]

If they have See Invisibility or Truesight, then yes they can cast spells at you even if you succeed in your stealth check.

Yes but the paradoxical way the condition is written means if I’m looking at the invisible person, I can see them. Kinda like Invisible Boy from Mystery Men - he’s only invisible when you’re not looking at him.

 

[mellored]

I agree. And, I mean, I might just not be interpreting it correctly. Maybe the invisible condition is supposed to make you impossible to see without truesight on its own, and they really did mean for characters to be able to become literally invisible with mundane stealth. I suspect we’ll get a Sage Advice about this in pretty short order after the book releases, and maybe an errata if we’re lucky.

I don't think it's intentionally this way. I certainly wouldn't run it this way myself.

I expect they had 4-5 versions in their head and mixed up what the final print went with.