Scattered seemingly at random throughout the 2014 PHB"Perfectly functional"??? Where are those!?!
In real life? No, but it’s a reasonable courtesy to do the player, to allow them to determine if hiding is practical or not.
Yeah, I suppose I should have said “light obscurement is not sufficient.
The former. Again, maybe it would have been clearer to have said “1/2 cover is not sufficient, 3/4 or greater is.”
Why just rogue?
Yeah, the invisibility spell is for chumps! Not only does it cost a 2nd level spell slot, it has a limited duration! Anyone who’s serious about wanting to be invisible should just go crouch in some bushes.
I think the solution to this is really in the "The condition ends on you immediately after any of the following occurs: you make a sound louder than a whisper, an enemy finds you, you make an attack roll, or you cast a spell with a Verbal component." part.
If only someone could’ve predicted that we’d need to use the Hide action and have it make sense, but I understand…I mean it only comes up once, twice, maybe five times a game session.
The issue is, how is an enemy supposed to find you when you’re invisible? The rule allows them to do it with a successful perception check, but that means you have your whole turn to (quietly) wave your junk in their face before they get a chance to even try, it costs them an action to even attempt it, and they can fail.
Scattered seemingly at random throughout the 2014 PHB
Gotcha. So, if the player wants to know, "Should I bother trying to take the Hide action or is my PC under direct observation?" thing... that's fine. I thought you meant something a bit
In general I don't believe it ever has been considered sufficient?
Agreed. 3/4-cover should be sufficient for you to attempt to Hide. (That is what I do anyway...)
That’s the idea, yeah
Gotcha. So, if the player wants to know, "Should I bother trying to take the Hide action or is my PC under direct observation?" thing... that's fine. I thought you meant something a bit
I mean, I never considered it sufficient, but the text in the 2014 PHB was unclear on the matter. One could infer that it was insufficient from the fact that the wood elf’s mask of the wild feature and the Skulker feat both gave you the ability to hide while only lightly obscured by certain specific things, suggesting you can’t otherwise hide while only lightly obscured. But it is left up to inference, and I know there were a lot of folks, including regulars here, who disagreed with that inference. The 2024 stealth rules are at least explicit about that, in spite of all their other flaws.
This is not stated anywhere in the 2014 PHB, though I have treated it as sufficient in the past. Again, the 2024 stealth rules clearly stating it do provide clarity on that intent, though they are otherwise awful.
by that condition automatically ending due to your actions, like stepping out of the bush again
if you had remained invisible yes, but due to your actions you did not
That's not on the list of things that break it.
