No full attack option?

[Mouseferatu]

Maybe... but if its anything like Star Wars (read the example of the Duel Wielding Jedi above) she should just focus on one weapon...

The more I read the more worried I get... I'm a swashbuckler at heart... with just one attack most of the time I see people going weapon/shield or two-handed weapon... and I see the death of the two-weapon fighter.. aka swashbuckler.

Makes me sad...

You're forgetting a very important point, though.

If I understand properly, the addition of maneuvers (or powers, or techniques, or whatever you want to call them) isn't just an "add on" to classes like the fighter. It's as integral to their repertoire as spells are to the wizard. I think one of the primary reasons for the removal of the "full round action" is that it's no longer necessary, because martial characters will be using maneuvers as often as wizards use spells.

And a great many of those maneuvers--again, if I understand properly--are weapon-based.

So yes, there will still be plenty of reasons for using a rapier, or a rapier-dagger combo, because it'll rely on a different array of maneuvers and techniques than the greataxe or greatsword will.

 

[F4NBOY]

But that’s so.... unswashbukley like…

I hate the idea of “two-weapon fighting just adds damage to the attack” because if a fighter picks up a great sword… he deals 2d6.

But if I duel with two rapiers... I deal… 2d6??? And I wasted a feat?

I hate it too. Fortunately such a rule does not exist in any d20 game I've played so far.

 

[sidonunspa]

Actually, 1 attack per round makes the combat longer and not faster.
You need at least one attack roll to kill one monster, you can't make the combat faster than that.
Assuming they are increasing the number of monsters per encounter and more monsters=more attacks to win the combat, if they decrease the number of attacks characters can make per round, they are doubling/doubling the combat time. So I don't think they are reducing the number of attacks per round, but making multiple attacks a better option in the combat.

If they keep cleave... then you will see a ton of two-handed great sword wielding warriors…

Why? You take one down as fast as you can to get the extra attack to snap another target in half…

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

Try sitting at a table where people are playing epic level characters and the guy with the buff fighter/barbarian was awful at math. I am no longer with that group, and the slow adding up of bonuses is something I will not miss.

Heehee. I often add up another player's dice and tell him how much damage he did for him.

And the power attacking buffed raging death machine is often a bear to have to figure things out for. For my Goliath Musou Machine, I'd spend most of the time in between actions doing math, and occasionally I still wouldn't be done by the time the DM got back to me, mostly because I had to decide whether or not to Smite, which Smite to use, whether to burn a Turn attempt, etc.

Brad

 

[HeapThaumaturgist]

Oi. Reminds me of this time that a guy decided to be a wildshape focused Druid. He kept transforming into big cats with pounce and rend and he'd be making five or so attacks EVERY ROUND ... and adding them ... slowly ... on his turn ...

And ending up doing less total damage than my barbarian with one attack.

Thog hits for 15!

Grimalken hits for 2, hits for 3, misses, hits for 3, hits for 5.

Gaaaahhhhh!!!

--fje

 

[F4NBOY]

If they keep cleave... then you will see a ton of two-handed great sword wielding warriors…

Why? You take one down as fast as you can to get the extra attack to snap another target in half…

I already see tons of two-handed fighters in 3E. Power Attack anyone?
Two handed fighting is a poor choice in 3E, lots of attacks, few hits, poor damage. It's cool though...
Paladin+greatsword+power attack+smite evil+Leap Attack=BBEG 1 hit killed.

Don't worry, they kept two weapon fighting in SWSE, so there is no reason to dump it in D&D that's much more focused in melee combat than SWSE.

Thrust me, 2 weapon fighting will be much better, more powerfull and cool in 4E than it is in 3E.

 

[sidonunspa]

So yes, there will still be plenty of reasons for using a rapier, or a rapier-dagger combo, because it'll rely on a different array of maneuvers and techniques than the greataxe or greatsword will.

But you are still limited two one attack a round.. it’s like the Mystic Thearge.. I have a million spells, but I can still only cast one a round.

Also in this instance it’s even better to focus on one weapon, to get all it's maneuvers as soon as possible. Then split up your maneuver “slots” on two weapons… UNLESS lets say the dagger and rapier manuvers they are designed to work together, which seems like a starch…

 

[F4NBOY]

But you are still limited two one attack a round.. it’s like the Mystic Thearge.. I have a million spells, but I can still only cast one a round.

Also in this instance it’s even better to focus on one weapon, to get all it's maneuvers as soon as possible. Then split up your maneuver “slots” on two weapons… UNLESS lets say the dagger and rapier manuvers they are designed to work together, which seems like a starch…

One attack per round? Who said that?

 

[Mouseferatu]

But you are still limited two one attack a round.. it’s like the Mystic Thearge.. I have a million spells, but I can still only cast one a round.

We don't know that. The lack of "full attack" doesn't mean you can't get two attacks in a round. There could be new mechanics in place to allow that.

Also in this instance it’s even better to focus on one weapon, to get all it's maneuvers as soon as possible. Then split up your maneuver “slots” on two weapons… UNLESS lets say the dagger and rapier manuvers they are designed to work together, which seems like a starch…

I don't think it's a stretch at all. Or rather, it's probably a stretch to say there will be specific "rapier + dagger maneuvers." But I think it's very likely that there'll be maneuvers that require two-weapon fighting to pull off.

 

[F4NBOY]

Don't worry, I just called Mikey Meals on the phone asking about that. He told me to go read the latest Playtest Diary, where the Ranger attacks 3 times in a round.