No Man's Land (IC)
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Jemal
Adventurer
Whin steps back again, calm returning to him as he lets go of his frustration. This thing couldn't be that tough, or it wouldn't be hiding in the field like a coward.
With a grin, Whin beckons it forward. "Last chance, beasty. Join us and help us kill the king, and we won't destroy you. I've nothing against you personally."
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OK, I'll be a bit more specific about my actions this time.
BTW, If it's not possible for some reason, then instead of deciding my action for me, could you post an OOC asking me to change it? thnx.
Move back 10' (should be 20' from the AMF now).
Readied action: If/When the Choker leaves the Field, Whin casts an Empowered Lightning Leap.(Complete Mage). Caster Level=20.
SR Checks: 29 or28. (I accidentally rolled twice somehow, so I figured i'd post'em both so you don't think I'm cheating.)
Whether the SR check succeeds or not, I end up directly behind him via the Lightning Leap (Which ends at the AMF), and use my free attack from Sun School to attempt to Trip MR Choker.
Touch attack: AC 40.
Trip check: 29. It can oppose with a Dexterity or Strength check modified by size. (Note trip checks do not count BAB)
*Also of note, if it chooses to charge me, that should spoil the charge, though if it was just going to move/attack, it'll still be able to turn around and attack me normally (If it's not prone), or get up if I suceed on the Trip.
Assuming this works, I should end up BETWEEN it and the field. HEH, take that mr choker!
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With a grin, Whin beckons it forward. "Last chance, beasty. Join us and help us kill the king, and we won't destroy you. I've nothing against you personally."
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OK, I'll be a bit more specific about my actions this time.
BTW, If it's not possible for some reason, then instead of deciding my action for me, could you post an OOC asking me to change it? thnx.
Move back 10' (should be 20' from the AMF now).
Readied action: If/When the Choker leaves the Field, Whin casts an Empowered Lightning Leap.(Complete Mage). Caster Level=20.
SR Checks: 29 or28. (I accidentally rolled twice somehow, so I figured i'd post'em both so you don't think I'm cheating.)
Whether the SR check succeeds or not, I end up directly behind him via the Lightning Leap (Which ends at the AMF), and use my free attack from Sun School to attempt to Trip MR Choker.
Touch attack: AC 40.
Trip check: 29. It can oppose with a Dexterity or Strength check modified by size. (Note trip checks do not count BAB)
*Also of note, if it chooses to charge me, that should spoil the charge, though if it was just going to move/attack, it'll still be able to turn around and attack me normally (If it's not prone), or get up if I suceed on the Trip.
Assuming this works, I should end up BETWEEN it and the field. HEH, take that mr choker!
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Bloodweaver1
First Post
Obsidian & Granite
There is a whole set of chapters within the scriptures of The Lord of Battle titled ‘The enemy of my enemy is a temporary ally’. Master tacticians have spent years studying these scriptures.
When he speaks his guttural tone does not change and neither does his demure. Granite sits comfortably locked in place across his shoulders. “These perfect creations against us alone we cannot defeat. A decisive counter attack and our defeat are insured if a force by you is sent. Victory will be ours when allies on many fronts we have.” He says in a steady voice. “The Barbarian Nomads and ‘King’ Gerode of Abel, their trust and allegiance we must gain first. Sacrifice from you will be shown and then working a pact can we begin.”
He shifts his gaze for a few to the large Wyrm that he has battled with and continues to say, “Travel we will to the Leader of the Nomads first. Together the beginnings of the pact will be formed.” He turns his attention back to the Mountain Lord and says, “Your offer, your sacrifice, what will it be?”
There is a whole set of chapters within the scriptures of The Lord of Battle titled ‘The enemy of my enemy is a temporary ally’. Master tacticians have spent years studying these scriptures.
When he speaks his guttural tone does not change and neither does his demure. Granite sits comfortably locked in place across his shoulders. “These perfect creations against us alone we cannot defeat. A decisive counter attack and our defeat are insured if a force by you is sent. Victory will be ours when allies on many fronts we have.” He says in a steady voice. “The Barbarian Nomads and ‘King’ Gerode of Abel, their trust and allegiance we must gain first. Sacrifice from you will be shown and then working a pact can we begin.”
He shifts his gaze for a few to the large Wyrm that he has battled with and continues to say, “Travel we will to the Leader of the Nomads first. Together the beginnings of the pact will be formed.” He turns his attention back to the Mountain Lord and says, “Your offer, your sacrifice, what will it be?”
Jemal said:
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Step one, I went through pretty much every scenario on this one, and they pretty much all ended up the same, so I just picked one. Second of all, my largest problem with that approach is that it means things will take alot longer. If I feel that I can change your actions (at least the rules applying to them) without changing what your character does or what you want accomplished, I don't really have a problem with it. And if you don't want me to do that, thats fine. But try posting actions that fall within the D&D rules if thats the case in order to make my life easier.
And if you think I'm being harsh on that issue, YOU POSTED THE EXACT SAME RULES VIOLATION TWICE!!!!!!!!! How am I supposed to compensate when you won't figure out what doesn't work?
BTW: You can attack while prone.
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Jemal
Adventurer
[sblock=ooc]UM, I'm not seeing a rules violation in my post... DEFINITELY not the same one as last time, as I've only posted one action (And the possible consequences)...
Also, I know you CAN attack while prone, but if it does that then that means it's not getting up, meaning it'll be staying OUTSIDE the field, meaning we can kill it. (Unless it can make a DC 35 tumble check, in which case my plan was for naught, as it could tumble to it's feet as a free action, attack me, and then use it's quickness ability to tumble past me and back into the field.)
If that happens though, I think Whin's gonna grab the pixie + Meekor and head after the king next round. If it chooses to chase us, it has to leave the field.
Heck, we should've done that 2 rounds ago.... The king's gettin' away, and I've got mucho-torture planned for him.
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Also, I know you CAN attack while prone, but if it does that then that means it's not getting up, meaning it'll be staying OUTSIDE the field, meaning we can kill it. (Unless it can make a DC 35 tumble check, in which case my plan was for naught, as it could tumble to it's feet as a free action, attack me, and then use it's quickness ability to tumble past me and back into the field.)
If that happens though, I think Whin's gonna grab the pixie + Meekor and head after the king next round. If it chooses to chase us, it has to leave the field.
Heck, we should've done that 2 rounds ago.... The king's gettin' away, and I've got mucho-torture planned for him.
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Jemal said:[sblock=ooc]UM, I'm not seeing a rules violation in my post... DEFINITELY not the same one as last time, as I've only posted one action (And the possible consequences)...
Also, I know you CAN attack while prone, but if it does that then that means it's not getting up, meaning it'll be staying OUTSIDE the field, meaning we can kill it. (Unless it can make a DC 35 tumble check, in which case my plan was for naught, as it could tumble to it's feet as a free action, attack me, and then use it's quickness ability to tumble past me and back into the field.)
If that happens though, I think Whin's gonna grab the pixie + Meekor and head after the king next round. If it chooses to chase us, it has to leave the field.
Heck, we should've done that 2 rounds ago.... The king's gettin' away, and I've got mucho-torture planned for him.
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OOC: [sblock=Jemal] The big rules violation comes from the fact that you tried to ready 3 different actions, which is DEFINATLY against the rules. The repeat is that fact that I already went over why you can't grab an opponent AND move him on the same readied action, and yet you still haven't adjusted your post on that regard, forcing me to adjust your actions a second time in the exact same way. If you want to get technical about it, your putting the staff away as part of your readied action is also a rules violation. I let you get away with alot, stop giving such a hard time over it!
Btw, your tactics were all for naught anyways, even if it can't make that tumble check. You may want to read up on Chokers. That extra standard action is a killer.[/sblock]
To all those not interested in mine and Jemal's rules discussion
I will be updating tommorow when I get off work, since my schedules been messed up for the last few days and I work 4 hours early. (hence a good nights sleep).
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Nephtys
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Yashar stares at the puzzled warrior, anger at the man's confused silence welling up in him. "Well soldier, ANSWER ME! Give me one reason why I should help your pathetic nation instead of ripping your ugly little head off your scrawny shoulders? Is your country stong enough to survive while I destroy your enemies and rich enough to pay me the full value of your salvation? Don't lie to me. If you do your women and children, and to me you're all women and children, will pay the price of wasting my time."
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Jemal
Adventurer
Darimaus said:OOC: [sblock=Jemal] The big rules violation comes from the fact that you tried to ready 3 different actions, which is DEFINATLY against the rules. The repeat is that fact that I already went over why you can't grab an opponent AND move him on the same readied action, and yet you still haven't adjusted your post on that regard, forcing me to adjust your actions a second time in the exact same way. If you want to get technical about it, your putting the staff away as part of your readied action is also a rules violation. I let you get away with alot, stop giving such a hard time over it!
Btw, your tactics were all for naught anyways, even if it can't make that tumble check. You may want to read up on Chokers. That extra standard action is a killer.[/sblock]
To all those not interested in mine and Jemal's rules discussion
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OK, I need to say MANY things now, but first I'll try to explain my action, and get rid of the apparent confusion.
Not part of the readied action. Readying is a standard action, meaning my Move action is still open.
"IF/WHEN" is a catch-all phrase. I could have used EITHER term, but didn't want to be presumptuous. If you really want, I'll drop the word "WHEN".
The actual Readied action is, then "IF the Choker leaves the Field, Whin casts an Empowered Lightning Leap, CL 20". Such is EXACTLY what readied actions are supposed to be... "If: Then" statements.
All of this is Consequence of the Lightning Leap, not additional readied actions.
Here is what happens If Whin casts the Lightning Leap (Which is his readied action):
It goes through the Choker (Reflex save DC25 for half, if the SR check beats his SR). Secondary effect of the spell deposits me on the other side, BETWEEN Choker and Anti-Magic Field.
Because Whin has the 'sun school' feat, and just moved 'instantaneously' beside him, Whin gets a free attack. I choose to use said attack as a Trip Attack. Thus, I role a Touch attack and Opposed Strength Check. If I succeed, the Choker is prone. Either way, I'm still between him and the field.
ALso, more RE: your post.
I readied a single action, not three. Trip him.
The 'grab OR Pin' last time was TWO... I suppose if i tried to do ALL of them on the same round that would be three.... perhaps you're adding my posts together?
Also, Putting the staff away is a Free action. The 'waiting for him' part was for Flavour, I gain no bonuses from waiting till the last second to put it away. If you dont like it, I'll stop. Also I fail to see what else you let me get away with, or where I've 'given you a hard time' before this post.
I know all about chokers, which is why I spoke about their Quickness ability.
It gets 1 move action, 1 standard action, 1 extra action. If everything goes according to plan, It uses 1 move action to leave the field. I trip it.
Then, it has a choice of what to do with it's 2 remaining actions. (Assuming it DOESN'T have tumble)
A) Make one attack from prone (1 action), and Stand up (1 Action)
B) Make 2 attacks from prone. (2 actions)
C) Stand up (1 action), and attack once (1 action)
D) Stand up (1 action), and Move away Whin (1 action, Provoking an AoO for leaving a threatened area. I would use this AoO as another Trip Check)
E) Stand up (1 action), and move PAST Whin, into the field. (1 action, provoking an AoO for leaving a threatened area. I would use this AoO as another Trip Check).
F) Stand up (1 action), and attempt to Bull Rush Whin into the field (1 action, provoking an AoO for Bull Rush*Unless it just happens to have spent a feat slot on 'improved bull rush'. I would use this AoO as another Trip Check).
I can see no other option for it unless IT is a caster, or can go ethereal. Otherwise, In all of these scenarios, the only way it's getting away from me is if I fail my trip check.
THAT is why I said I'm screwed if it can tumble. If it can't, I see no way for it to get out unless I screw up the Trip Check. If I do, then the point is moot Either way, isn't it?
Here's what could happen (as far as my knowledge goes) if I FAIL the trip check... He still has 2 actions left, having used his Move Action to leave the field. he could:
A) Make Two attacks (2 actions)
B) Attack once (1 action), Move away from Whin(1 action, Provoking an AoO for leaving a threatened area. I would use this AoO as another Trip Check).
C) Attack once (1 action), move PAST Whin, into the field(1 action, Provoking an AoO for leaving a threatened area. I would use this AoO as another Trip Check).
D) Attempt to move Past/Away from Whin(1 action, Provoking an AoO for leaving a threatened area. I would use this AoO as another Trip Check). If I succeed on the Trip check, he can use the second action to Stand Up.
Consequences of ANY of THESE actions are exactly the same as their counterparts. There are only 3 ways that I see that it can get back into the Field:
If I fail to trip it (twice)
If it's got some ability I don't know of, or
If it has a +20 or higher Tumble check.
So as you can see, yes I HAVE put a lot of thought into this. Please correct me if you think I'm misinformed about something...[/sblock]
moritheil
First Post
Having gathered whatever information he can on heroes, armies, and shops in town, Ichiru begins preparations for the evening. He first ensures that the rooms at the inn have been bought out, then brings in his retinue as discreetly as possible.
Three birds fly in through a window he opens and enter the room; moments later, they turn into two bears and an abnormally large, mail-clad hellhound.
[sblock=DM]Asobi is always invisible; shouldn't be a problem. She will fly up to the roof and wait there.
The Ichiru decoy will actually be filling in for Ichiru, connected by a lesser mind link.
Ichiru will be in bear form, and both he and his bear animal companion will fly in an open window in the guise of small birds (winged watcher.)
The hellhound will be polymorphed to also enter unobtrusively.
I'll continue posting prep tomorrow, assuming all this is okay.[/sblock]
Three birds fly in through a window he opens and enter the room; moments later, they turn into two bears and an abnormally large, mail-clad hellhound.
[sblock=DM]Asobi is always invisible; shouldn't be a problem. She will fly up to the roof and wait there.
The Ichiru decoy will actually be filling in for Ichiru, connected by a lesser mind link.
Ichiru will be in bear form, and both he and his bear animal companion will fly in an open window in the guise of small birds (winged watcher.)
The hellhound will be polymorphed to also enter unobtrusively.
I'll continue posting prep tomorrow, assuming all this is okay.[/sblock]
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