non switchers: what can wotc do to win you back?
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Hunter In Darkness
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Nothing, they no longer make a system I enjoy. And by this point I am happy with the system I replaced it with. Really is zero chance of me buying from them
Perram
Explorer
WotC, to get me to be a supporter of 4e again, would have to change their companies stance and attitude that they have assumed since its launch.
Their communication with the player base has been poor, often one way, and very tight lipped. They could not deliver what they said they would on several occasions regarding DDI, and I just no longer have any confidence that anything I hear from an official WotC source is accurate any longer.
I'm not saying they are lying by any standard of the word, I just feel that they have the 'Sony' problem now where they may not be able to live up to their PR.
Reinstate the OGL or something equally open for 4e or 5e or whatever edition they do it in. That is a must for me to support them again, at least until I can be sure that they are going to be producing quality material. The GSL simply isn't enough.
Resume PDF Sales. This would help a long way in getting me to support them again. I am not interested at all in any DRMd solution they come up with. I no longer trust the company enough that I would feel comfortable buying a DRMd product from them, I can't be sure that they wouldn't 'turn it off' on me, no longer support it.
Support your Campaign Settings! I don't like what they did with the Realms, I admit. But what I dislike even more is that they made a huge radical change that makes most of my previous material irrelevant to the setting and then... stops developing any further product for the setting!
If they hadn't blown up the realms... this release schedule would have been fine, and I would have been satisfied just relying on older edition product and future novel lines to get my info. But since they /did/ blow up the realms... I feel that it was irresponsible to do so without continuing to develop content for it.
Put the Hairfoot halflings back in the game. Elves have pointy ears and are graceful, dwarves are stocky and have long beards, halflings are a little plump and have hairy feet. I don't understand why they want to distance themselves from the original hobbit concept of the race. Focusing on the lightfoot, fine, but completely removing the other version from even being mentioned?
I don't like change for change's sake.
Their communication with the player base has been poor, often one way, and very tight lipped. They could not deliver what they said they would on several occasions regarding DDI, and I just no longer have any confidence that anything I hear from an official WotC source is accurate any longer.
I'm not saying they are lying by any standard of the word, I just feel that they have the 'Sony' problem now where they may not be able to live up to their PR.
Reinstate the OGL or something equally open for 4e or 5e or whatever edition they do it in. That is a must for me to support them again, at least until I can be sure that they are going to be producing quality material. The GSL simply isn't enough.
Resume PDF Sales. This would help a long way in getting me to support them again. I am not interested at all in any DRMd solution they come up with. I no longer trust the company enough that I would feel comfortable buying a DRMd product from them, I can't be sure that they wouldn't 'turn it off' on me, no longer support it.
Support your Campaign Settings! I don't like what they did with the Realms, I admit. But what I dislike even more is that they made a huge radical change that makes most of my previous material irrelevant to the setting and then... stops developing any further product for the setting!
If they hadn't blown up the realms... this release schedule would have been fine, and I would have been satisfied just relying on older edition product and future novel lines to get my info. But since they /did/ blow up the realms... I feel that it was irresponsible to do so without continuing to develop content for it.
Put the Hairfoot halflings back in the game. Elves have pointy ears and are graceful, dwarves are stocky and have long beards, halflings are a little plump and have hairy feet. I don't understand why they want to distance themselves from the original hobbit concept of the race. Focusing on the lightfoot, fine, but completely removing the other version from even being mentioned?
I don't like change for change's sake.
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coyote6
Adventurer
If "win me back" means "get me to play and buy D&D 4e", or even substitute "current version of D&D", my answer would be: Persuade the other people I game with to play 4e/the current version; especially persuade one of 'em to start GMing it.
If "win me back" means "get me to buy stuff from WotC", well, I'm still buying minis occasionally. More and cooler minis would be great; non-fantasy (modern day, space, cyberpunk, supers, whatever) pre-painted minis would likely be perfect for me. Maybe publish a new RPG of some sort, one that's not a derivative of D&D rules (or at least not as derivative as d20 Modern was). It would probably have to be a non-class-and-level system for one, as I'm burned out on the whole class-and-level thing at the moment; if it did have classes and/or levels, it would need to be utterly awesome otherwise.
If "win me back" means "get me to buy stuff from WotC", well, I'm still buying minis occasionally. More and cooler minis would be great; non-fantasy (modern day, space, cyberpunk, supers, whatever) pre-painted minis would likely be perfect for me. Maybe publish a new RPG of some sort, one that's not a derivative of D&D rules (or at least not as derivative as d20 Modern was). It would probably have to be a non-class-and-level system for one, as I'm burned out on the whole class-and-level thing at the moment; if it did have classes and/or levels, it would need to be utterly awesome otherwise.
jaerdaph
#UkraineStrong
Nothing, really. I didn't personally care for the changes in 4e (not my cuppa, but if you enjoy it, more power to you), and I have True20 and Pathfinder now, which are both reasonably backwards compatable to 3e era d20 (fantasy and modern) as well as supported forward. Vive la OGL!
Funny I actually thought of something on this topic a few weeks ago while moving books around in my game room. Things have changed greatly over the last few years, take for instance Eberron. When it was first released I had no interest in it at all and didn't purchase anything for the first 2 or so years (guessing at the time frame but it was a long time) then I read a few things in Dragon Magazine and while the setting never became something I would run it did spark enough interest that I purchased all of the books for it and kept buying them until the change of editions.
The problem is this, at this present time there is nothing (and I do mean nothing) being done to gain the interest of those who simple did not switch editions. The few times I have been to wizards.com I could find no information or even any articles that seemed enough to even dig deeper or investigate. So at this point of time, my opinion is it isn't so much what they need to do to win me back but they really need to find a way to get me to be interested in 4e.
The problem is this, at this present time there is nothing (and I do mean nothing) being done to gain the interest of those who simple did not switch editions. The few times I have been to wizards.com I could find no information or even any articles that seemed enough to even dig deeper or investigate. So at this point of time, my opinion is it isn't so much what they need to do to win me back but they really need to find a way to get me to be interested in 4e.
mhensley
First Post
I haven't purchased anything at all from wotc in over a year and a half now. I don't like 4e. I have all the minis I could ever want. And they don't publish any books that I can use. Probably the only way I could be tempted back to buying new D&D material would be for them to sell the IP to another company with very different design ideas, as I don't see wotc ever going back in a direction I like again. Until then I'm still playing 3.5 and hoping to run HMb soon.
I'm not fond of 4th Edition myself. I feel version 3.5 has more options and ability to create whatever sort of character you want, without having to totally turn the fluff on its head. I also, from my brief experience with 4E, got the impression it didn't really facilitate RP as well(though that may be partially the blame of the group itself and it's semi-disorganized state).
That said, if I were to invest more money to Wizards, I'd be investing it in materials they no longer print, unless they started actively supporting 3.5 again.
Alternatively, if Wizards found me a good gaming group and offered a nice discount, I would probably be receptive to 4th as well, but I'm a bit of a miser, being strapped for cash and all.
That said, if I were to invest more money to Wizards, I'd be investing it in materials they no longer print, unless they started actively supporting 3.5 again.
Alternatively, if Wizards found me a good gaming group and offered a nice discount, I would probably be receptive to 4th as well, but I'm a bit of a miser, being strapped for cash and all.
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