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So, are any feats needed to make masterwork armor/weapons and Alchemical items? Just asking because I randomly found some feats that said they were needed, individually, to make master work armor, master work weapons, or alchemical items 
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And, infusions don't seem to be arcane in nature: so could my character use heavy armor without miscasting?
Also, I think you're giving out a bit much for weapon proficiency, Sure, if you're buying it, it's one weapon per a feat, but by this logic I could, if I wanted to Cheese the nine hells out of this system, If I played a fighter and then, at level 2, get a level of barbarian.
I could then trade both simple and martial weapon proficiency for an extra, by what your giving out here, 4 feats. This is amusing I don't trade off the martial/simple weapon proficiencies from fighter as well.
Kicker is I'm also getting to choose one weapon to keep each time I trade off a proficiency.
Oh, I forgot, their is also armor to either keep or toss off. So their is an other three easily off loaded, redundant, class features granted by barbarian.
Point I'm making here: second level in fighter: +1d10 hit dice, 2+int mod skill points, +1 fort save +1 combative feat, +1 BAB. But a level in barbarian: +1d12 hit dice, 4+int mod skill points, +2 fort save, +7 feats (by trading off redundant class features), Fast Movement, Rag and, for a kicker: Barbarians have a larger class skill pool to play with. Meaning: if your going to use a fighter, you're best off picking up a level of barbarian no matter what, its a flat out better level advancement;
Keep in mind, I love the idea of trading around class features, expressly redundant ones, but this set up already favors multi class character with out the cheese of being able to drop one weapon proficiency list for two feats. this means any given character who gets a new basic class gets two + feats on a sigle clase character.
All I'm saying here is, you might want to be a bit more stingy on what you're giving out for weapon proficiencies.
Cheese can happen. Then again, the one classes that can't easy dip into this cheese are spell casters, so who knows, it might be balancing out the nukers latter on XD
~Teh Annoying Newbie
Addon: Could I use Education instead of the Bonus 2/2 feat? (it makes all Knowledge skills class skills and gives +1 to two knowledge skills)
;And, infusions don't seem to be arcane in nature: so could my character use heavy armor without miscasting?
Also, I think you're giving out a bit much for weapon proficiency, Sure, if you're buying it, it's one weapon per a feat, but by this logic I could, if I wanted to Cheese the nine hells out of this system, If I played a fighter and then, at level 2, get a level of barbarian.
I could then trade both simple and martial weapon proficiency for an extra, by what your giving out here, 4 feats. This is amusing I don't trade off the martial/simple weapon proficiencies from fighter as well.
Kicker is I'm also getting to choose one weapon to keep each time I trade off a proficiency.
Oh, I forgot, their is also armor to either keep or toss off. So their is an other three easily off loaded, redundant, class features granted by barbarian.
Point I'm making here: second level in fighter: +1d10 hit dice, 2+int mod skill points, +1 fort save +1 combative feat, +1 BAB. But a level in barbarian: +1d12 hit dice, 4+int mod skill points, +2 fort save, +7 feats (by trading off redundant class features), Fast Movement, Rag and, for a kicker: Barbarians have a larger class skill pool to play with. Meaning: if your going to use a fighter, you're best off picking up a level of barbarian no matter what, its a flat out better level advancement
;Keep in mind, I love the idea of trading around class features, expressly redundant ones, but this set up already favors multi class character with out the cheese of being able to drop one weapon proficiency list for two feats. this means any given character who gets a new basic class gets two + feats on a sigle clase character.
All I'm saying here is, you might want to be a bit more stingy on what you're giving out for weapon proficiencies.
Cheese can happen. Then again, the one classes that can't easy dip into this cheese are spell casters, so who knows, it might be balancing out the nukers latter on XD
~Teh Annoying Newbie
Addon: Could I use Education instead of the Bonus 2/2 feat? (it makes all Knowledge skills class skills and gives +1 to two knowledge skills)
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Dragonwriter
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So, are any feats needed to make masterwork armor/weapons and Alchemical items? Just asking because I randomly found some feats that said they were needed, individually, to make master work armor, master work weapons, or alchemical items
I suggest you stop looking in the Unearthed Arcana Variants. They are not part of Core and only a rare few (on request) have been used in this game. Normal rules allow you to make Masterwork items with a Craft check at a higher DC. Alchemical items are simply made through Craft (alchemy).
AFAIK, HM doesn't have Eberron. But I do, and there is no mention of infusions being any kind of actual magic. They are simply alterations to existing items. There is also no mention in the rules of suffering ASF, and you are given Light and Medium armor proficiency. Seems to me you don't have to worry about ASF. (Just keep in mind the long casting/activation time for most of your infusions.)
True, but that's pretty looked-down on in this game. The only folks multiclassing are doing so for good character reasons, not to take advantage of the swapping system.
if your going to use a fighter, you're best off picking up a level of barbarian no matter what, its a flat out better level advancement
From an optimization standpoint, you don't take Fighter past level 4 anyway. As you mentioned, Barbarian has several advantages over Fighter. Even Ranger (in Core, somewhat gimped) gets advantages over Fighter.
Anyways, glad to see you're going to something likely to cause less headaches than that lycanthrope.
HolyMan
Thy wounds are healed!
DW has the right of it if you were to use whatever class this is you are thinking on I would need the info as I don't have the books.
And swaps need to be approved, they are not a gimme' they need to add to the development of the character and not just be some new ability he has. I think everyone who has played (and there have been alot) have kept the cheese down to a minimum.
Not everyone would recieve three feats for dropping all there martial weapon prof. It goes by build/background.
Multiclassing just to get a chance to get a bunch of new feats will have me putting two hydra's in a creek next time instead of one.
HM
And swaps need to be approved, they are not a gimme' they need to add to the development of the character and not just be some new ability he has. I think everyone who has played (and there have been alot) have kept the cheese down to a minimum.
Not everyone would recieve three feats for dropping all there martial weapon prof. It goes by build/background.
Multiclassing just to get a chance to get a bunch of new feats will have me putting two hydra's in a creek next time instead of one.
HM
@DW, I could always use the Magical Kangaroo Rat that burps out fire balls 
But yesh, its a defect in my mind set, I take things far to literally, meaning, anything short of a no (or other definitive answer) means it's a possibility that simply needs, endless, clarification. ^^;
Also, I'm thinking of making the character a noble; the young son of a wealthy count. (and as such holding title of lord, kinda amassing it's a title given to ppl who's parent has a real tittle given how strong it sounds, but this is going to far off track me thinks...) and is more or less going out to prove himself without any of the benefits of his inheritance (well, Some of it, but only as much as could be reasonably accumulated by some one of more common descent...) And, give he is as well built as a Nobel who has never walked any great distance in his life, most of that was spent on a hose!;
So yesh, expect a, very, well kept kid who comes riding in on a high hose, literally. as for him charging headlong into battle, don't, he's egotistical not stupid. (Also he is also not Per Cliche princling, but still, expect excessive amounts of mermering if he has to do any grunt work, he will do it, but yeah... (also swamping out alot of his simple weapons for more knightly ones, like being able to use a sword or bash somone's face in with a sheild. Don't expect him to use a sling though.. or throw something, what, you think he has upper body strength?)
[sblock=pointless random rant]In closing, why Dos D&D hate tower shields? Any one who thinks you can't bash someones head in with one has never seen basic tatics with one, also, some tower shields are maybe half as tall as the person using it, the only shields that are normally about the height of the person using them are wall shields, that are generally used with a very heavy crossbow; because wall shields can stand on their own. But meh, can't expect D&D to get every thing of armor right... (or that plate armor can readily be cheaper then ring mail armor...) But that is getting into game mechanics that I think we might as well leave as is ^^;[/sblock]
But yesh, its a defect in my mind set, I take things far to literally, meaning, anything short of a no (or other definitive answer) means it's a possibility that simply needs, endless, clarification. ^^;
Also, I'm thinking of making the character a noble; the young son of a wealthy count. (and as such holding title of lord, kinda amassing it's a title given to ppl who's parent has a real tittle given how strong it sounds, but this is going to far off track me thinks...) and is more or less going out to prove himself without any of the benefits of his inheritance (well, Some of it, but only as much as could be reasonably accumulated by some one of more common descent...) And, give he is as well built as a Nobel who has never walked any great distance in his life, most of that was spent on a hose!
;So yesh, expect a, very, well kept kid who comes riding in on a high hose, literally. as for him charging headlong into battle, don't, he's egotistical not stupid. (Also he is also not Per Cliche princling, but still, expect excessive amounts of mermering if he has to do any grunt work, he will do it, but yeah... (also swamping out alot of his simple weapons for more knightly ones, like being able to use a sword or bash somone's face in with a sheild. Don't expect him to use a sling though.. or throw something, what, you think he has upper body strength?)
[sblock=pointless random rant]In closing, why Dos D&D hate tower shields? Any one who thinks you can't bash someones head in with one has never seen basic tatics with one, also, some tower shields are maybe half as tall as the person using it, the only shields that are normally about the height of the person using them are wall shields, that are generally used with a very heavy crossbow; because wall shields can stand on their own. But meh, can't expect D&D to get every thing of armor right... (or that plate armor can readily be cheaper then ring mail armor...) But that is getting into game mechanics that I think we might as well leave as is ^^;[/sblock]
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jackslate45
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HM, what it the accepted lists for books? Mostly for presiege classes on my end, but this way we can get an official list out (unless its somewhere I have not looked yet...)
Also, while I'm talking, far, to much, could I use Education instead of the Bonus 2/2 feat?
It makes all Knowledge skills class skills and gives +1 to two knowledge skills: Disclaimer, the class I'm going to use has three knowledge skills, two of witch I plan on using, and I was thinking of treading off all three while using this skill as to more or less keep them (the gained skills being ride, heal(the one I'm planing on trading for regardless because I don't think it makes sense for my character to have knowledge of the planes...) and diplomacy.
thoughts?
It makes all Knowledge skills class skills and gives +1 to two knowledge skills: Disclaimer, the class I'm going to use has three knowledge skills, two of witch I plan on using, and I was thinking of treading off all three while using this skill as to more or less keep them (the gained skills being ride, heal(the one I'm planing on trading for regardless because I don't think it makes sense for my character to have knowledge of the planes...) and diplomacy.
thoughts?
HolyMan
Thy wounds are healed!
@ jackslate45 I would say most books or content there in is open EXCEPT: Tome of Battle and Magic Incarnum as they changes things to much for me.
You need only ask and let me see what you are looking at and why.
@ Zerith - I'm liking the start of your newest character as he has a little background to go on, making it easy for me to say he could have Education as a feat, but not knowing the class I can't say if maybe a swap is in order(with a class ability).
And again without the class (before swapping) I can;t help you with the skills.
I do think that when I get you into the Off to War game that you to being opposites will be cool for the RP.
HM
You need only ask and let me see what you are looking at and why.
@ Zerith - I'm liking the start of your newest character as he has a little background to go on, making it easy for me to say he could have Education as a feat, but not knowing the class I can't say if maybe a swap is in order(with a class ability).
And again without the class (before swapping) I can;t help you with the skills.
I do think that when I get you into the Off to War game that you to being opposites will be cool for the RP.
HM
jackslate45
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well, then I have the build from now till level 9 feat wise, and 20 level wise
And none of what i needed where in those two books
And none of what i needed where in those two books
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