Official Superman Poster

[Aeson]

I think I know how I'll be spending my birthday. Great release date. lol

 

[EthanSental]

As long as in some future movie Gardner gets decked by Batman, I will be happy

That Kevin Maguire art in the JLA comics back in the 1990 range was fantastic!

 

[Reynard]

Pretty much sums up the superhero genre.

Only to people who don't actually consume the genre.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I don't believe the "superhero fatigue" line. They say that, and when a good one comes out, it still makes a (literal) billion dollars. it isn't superhero fatigue, it is "rote by the numbers film making" fatigue.

I mean, there's no real contradiction here. People can be bored of a genre as a whole, but still respond really strongly to movies that are just really good and happen to be of that genre - in part because they used to like that genre, and just a grind of mediocre movies as put them off it.

What "superhero fatigue" really means is that mediocre superhero movies are no longer a licence to print money, which they definitely were for a while. Not that genuinely really good ones can't succeed.

Only to people who don't actually consume the genre.

Nah, he's not wrong - "rote by the numbers" covers most of Marvel's output over the last decade. They've tried picking some weirder directors/writers but there some kind of weird homogenising effect (I think it's called Kevin Feige) which blandifies most of this stuff.

Again though, I think this helps Gunn. He is not a blandifier. He is not someone who always pulls their punch at the last minute like Feige is.

 

[TiQuinn]

I mean, there's no real contradiction here. People can be bored of a genre as a whole, but still respond really strongly to movies that are just really good and happen to be of that genre - in part because they used to like that genre, and just a grind of mediocre movies as put them off it.

What "superhero fatigue" really means is that mediocre superhero movies are no longer a licence to print money, which they definitely were for a while. Not that genuinely really good ones can't succeed.

Agreed. Deadpool and Wolverine succeeded because it was clearly its own thing, not part of the MCU meta-plotline, which has been largely derailed anyways and probably responsible for much of that fatigue. I think superhero movies, like the comics they come from, will always have a place, but can Hollywood sustain 4 to 6 of them a year and keep people engaged? That I doubt.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Agreed. Deadpool and Wolverine succeeded because it was clearly its own thing, not part of the MCU meta-plotline, which has been largely derailed anyways and probably responsible for much of that fatigue. I think superhero movies, like the comics they come from, will always have a place, but can Hollywood sustain 4 to 6 of them a year and keep people engaged? That I doubt.

Not only that, it was actually skewering the meta-plotline and multiverse obsession to a significant degree, which I think made people feel a better about it.

I do think it was a bit of a 7/10 movie, just barely above mediocre, but at least it was different enough and nuts enough and didn't feel... Feige'd... the same way most Marvel output does (some surprisingly good performances too, though also some really bad ones people let off for nostalgia/wish-fulfilment, I'm looking at you Tatum! I know you can act when you want to!).

There was something about how messy (complimentary) it was that really put me in mind of like, '90s action-adventure/low-end superhero movies, even though the content was entirely different.

Agree re: 4-6 being questionable - I do think Gunn's plans, if executed might be more successful because a lot of the planned movies won't read as "superhero movies" in the genre way, whereas almost all of the MCU's output does. Like, he's planning on bringing The Authority into his DCU (probably a variant of The Authority featuring DC heroes, which means we will likely sadly lose the beautiful "Batman and Supes" gay married couple of The Authority sadly, I really love Midnighter and Apollo), and The Authority asks questions about superheroes that Marvel is literally terrified of asking, and has been dodging for movie after movie and in multiple TV shows, and is kind of more aligned with The Boys or Invincible in that sense.

 

[TiQuinn]

some surprisingly good performances too, though also some really bad ones people let off for nostalgia/wish-fulfilment, I'm looking at you Tatum! I know you can act when you want to!

I thought Tatum as Gambit was about as terrible an idea as I had ever heard, and when they included him in the movie, it seemed to me like recognition of exactly how bad an idea it would’ve been - his performance was a “winking to the audience” parody. That people came away from that thinking that we needed a full movie of Tatum as Gambit was beyond the pale to me.

 

[GreyLord]

Whoa. I did NOT say I don't like dick jokes. I said I don't want a Superman movie to feel like Suicide Squad. That's a whole different thing.

I hated Gunn's suicide Squad.

People say Gunn hasn't made a bad movie...

Whelp...yes he has in my book.

That movie stunk to high heaven and I don't understand how people even enjoy it...but then...I suppose I'm not a ton of other people.

(Oh...that's right, it also did so poorly at the Box Office they made excuse after excuse why it didn't do well...Ignoring that just a few months later (3) Spiderman came out and made over a billion dollars).

Heck, I liked the 2016 Suicide Squad better than Gunn's version, and that one mis-characterized half the characters in it!

I don't think it's just me who thought it was a terrible movie, but you wouldn't know that from hearing from many of the his fans.

That one movie destroyed any hope I have for Gunn doing well with the DCU...but...I'm open that he could hopefully come back from that and impress me.

If Superman gets good reviews, I probably will go to see it. It's his one chance left to make me a believer, because if he fails on this one...well...that pretty much seals the deal on the type of movies Gunn is going to make in his DCU.

 

[TiQuinn]

That movie stunk to high heaven and I don't understand how people even enjoy it...but then...I suppose I'm not a ton of other people.

(Oh...that's right, it also did so poorly at the Box Office they made excuse after excuse why it didn't do well...Ignoring that just a few months later (3) Spiderman came home and made over a billion dollars)

Your opinion is your opinion and that’s fine, but using box office returns as justification that your opinion is more correct than others is pretty fraught territory. There’s a long line of box office failures that became classics over time.

 

[TwoSix]

That movie stunk to high heaven and I don't understand how people even enjoy it...but then...I suppose I'm not a ton of other people.

I loved Suicide Squad.