Oh boy...

[Tsyr]

Personaly, I stopped enjoying anything to do with the borg after the whole time traveling bit... It opens up so many gaping plot holes it's not even funny.

 

[Orius]

Just reading the latest production news on Enterprise at www.startrek.com... apparently we are going to see the Borg in Enterprise....

Oh-oh!

Anyway, I read the site, and the plot as stated doesn't seem too bad. No massive continuity problems here, as this deals involves developments related to First Contact. BUT we've got time travel related complications (yet again). After all, these Borg are from the 24th century. Exactly how the hell is Archer supposed to stop them? And the page also mentioned something about human realizing what a threat these Borg pose. Ok, but just one thing: how do you fit that in with established Trek continuity where the Federation apparently didn't learn about the Borg until the 24th century?

 

[Orius]

Re: So close ... yet so far

And to think the show almost changed my mind the past few episodes ... only to resort to this. Sad.

What's next? Cardassian (another 24th Century alien)? I already knew about the Ferengi and that is already borderline.

Disagree about Cardassians -- we don't know how long humans/The Federation have known about them. Putting them in Enterprise wouldn't disrupt too much, I think.

The Ferengi, however were over the line, considering that they didn't encounter the Federation until the mid-24th century or so (at least according to TNG episodes where the Ferengi were first used).

 

[Orius]

Sure it seems like a good idea - but this is where ENTERPRISE always wrecks things. To preserve continuity, all evidence and records of the borg as well as the wreckage of the sphere and any people they assimilate have to be destroyed.

Remember, when Q sends the Enterprise-D into the Delta Quadrant in "Q-Who" the Federation had no clue about the borg. They were a totally alien and completely new race.

EXACTLY. Although a later Voyager episode contradicted that, by saying 7's parents knew about and studied the Borg before Q introduced them to Picard.

And Picard himself said in "First Contact" that the borg were still confined to the Delta Quadrant at that time. If a bunch of Fed scientists encounter a sphere on earth in the 2250's and live to tell the tale it kinda ruins things.

That doesn't matter here. These are 24th century Borg from First Contact

 

[myrdden]

Whoa, now, before everyone goes on about how they're ruining pre-established Star Trek continuity by introducing the Borg ... time travel makes such terminology a bit wonky).

It is not so much continuity that I have a problem with on this particular event. It is the fact that they keep using "things" for the later series. Is there NO creative spark left in the writers or producers? Must they always revert to concepts that were introduced in TNG and later?

As another has stated they have a good villian in the form of Kingons at this point. Romulans aren't going to be too far behind as far as being a major threat. How about those Orions or Andorians...haven't seen much about them really. There's the Tholians too. Why do we need to bring the Borg into it? (As far as Cardassians go, Enterprise hasn't travelled far enough to meet them yet. Same reason should have applied to the Ferengi, but darn it...there's that lack of creativity again...gotta go with what has already been established).

I was looking for something different in Enterprise and all I seem to be getting is rip-offs from the other series.

Myrdden

 

[VorpalBunny]

As another has stated they have a good villian in the form of Kingons at this point..

ENTERPISE has already destroyed the Klingons as an enemy. Thirty-plus years of Trek continuity has established the first contact between The Federation and the Klingon Empire as disastrous - then along comes ENTERPRISE and "Broken Bow." First Contact with a Klingon takes place in Oklahoma of all places, and Starfleet goes as far as to give him a lift home.

And Orius, of course your right. I had a brain fart and forgot ENTPERPRISE took place after First Contact.

 

[DanMcS]

ENTERPISE has already destroyed the Klingons as an enemy. Thirty-plus years of Trek continuity has established the first contact between The Federation and the Klingon Empire as disastrous - then along comes ENTERPRISE and "Broken Bow." First Contact with a Klingon takes place in Oklahoma of all places, and Starfleet goes as far as to give him a lift home.

And they did it on purpose, as a result of the time travelling guys, so they wouldn't have to deal with the obsessive-compulsives who say "but that's not how they said it originally happened when Picard and Data talked about it in episode 3.13". They destroyed the rediculous 'continuity' in the very first episode so they would be free to do what they wanted from then on. Without the time travellers, the warp 5 ship wouldn't have been launched until years later, and the first contact with the Klingons would have been disasterous, and there would have been a nuclear war in space with the Romulans, but now they can rewrite as they see fit. Bravo.

 

[myrdden]

ENTERPISE has already destroyed the Klingons as an enemy. Thirty-plus years of Trek continuity has established the first contact between The Federation and the Klingon Empire as disastrous - then along comes ENTERPRISE and "Broken Bow." First Contact with a Klingon takes place in Oklahoma of all places, and Starfleet goes as far as to give him a lift home.

Was that mentioned in TOS? I seem to now remember something about that.

Myrdden

 

[myrdden]

And they did it on purpose, as a result of the time travelling guys, so they wouldn't have to deal with the obsessive-compulsives who say "but that's not how they said it originally happened when Picard and Data talked about it in episode 3.13". They destroyed the rediculous 'continuity' in the very first episode so they would be free to do what they wanted from then on. Without the time travellers, the warp 5 ship wouldn't have been launched until years later, and the first contact with the Klingons would have been disasterous, and there would have been a nuclear war in space with the Romulans, but now they can rewrite as they see fit. Bravo.

Then why bother make it part of the Star Trek saga? Why not just make a completely different SF show that shows man's first exploration of space without Vulcans, Klingons and anything else that is associated with Star Trek?

Myrdden

 

[Dagger75]

My weak ability of Star Trek knowledge may show here but didn't Earth know about Ferengi durning WW2. I mean Quark and his brother and nephew got thrown back in time (groan) and landed in Area 51 in one DS9 episode. I know Odo was there and didn't see the end of the episode so I don't know if they "fixed" the time line.