Oh boy...

[myrdden]

No, my personal timeline is pretty stable

LOL!!

Yes but I don't care about a alternate universe and obviously I'm not alone. I do see what you are saying but in TV world they are just doing what they want and not even remotely trying to stick to the given history. They don't care about the given history they change it at the drop of a hat, the only reason for it to be in any way related to the other Star Trek properties is name relation, other thatn that they are just writing it from scratch...

I have to agree with you on this point. I really don't care to see an "alternate universe" either. If they want to go that route and us completely new ideas that contradict or muddle established concepts then create a new series that has no involvement with Star Trek. I want to see how things were in the beginning - not things in the beginning with Borg, Ferengi, Holodecks, cloaking devices etc, etc.

If you want to have a show that doesn't have to worry about a huge in depth mythology written up around it then do a new show, do a original show, Star TreK shows have decades of background history, they have a definatly defined timeline that shows how things came about. They have spent 30 years adding detail and depth to this, why throw it out? Why throw out a 30 year old foundation that is known and loved by 100's of millions of fans worldwide just for the sake of giving a little more freedom in writing the script?

I don't see the history of the show as a roadblock. Sure Earth isn't going to be pummelled out of existance. Sure there will be a Federation. Sure there will be a war with the Romulans. But that's basically it. There isn't a lot of detail regarding the early years of space exploration, so there is lots of room for details. We don't know what happens to the NX-01 specifically. We don't know what happens to individual crew members of the ship. How does Earth become such an intragalactic powerhouse with such a humble beginning? These are the details that can be explored without contradicting anything and without using stuff from the later series!

What annoys me is the show has an excellent framework in place - namely the history developed by the other series - and yet they keep trying to fight against it which is producing lackluster results in my opinion.

Myrdden

 

[Darius101]

well said...myrdden

They do not appear to be following a timeline consistant with the old series at all in many ways.
That is what bugs me about the newer Treks.

Darius

 

[Dagger75]

Here is funky thought, what if the very last episode has them fixing the time line all of sudden the ship looks kind of like the ship from the TOS, the uniforms change to the TOS series type and we see the fledgling federation beginning to arm for war against the Klingons. The time travel guy is happy, the crew of Enterprise is all content because for them nothing is wrong and the pure Star Trek geeks will be happy and you would have one of the funkyiest series finals ever made.


Just my 2 cents.

 

[Mistwell]

I think the big point here is that I am allowed to not like this show and to say "Hey I don't like this show". I don't take it personal, I don't have any drama in my life about it, I don't loose sleep, but why should I be forbidden from giving my opinion. My opinion is valid and seems to be shared my many other people. They don't have to change the show for me they can do what they like, and I am free to not like what they are doing, no harm no foul.

That's the big point? You feel I (or someone) am preventing you from saying that you do not like the show?

J, you go on saying how much you do not like the show. I'm not trying to stop you. Nobody is trying to stop you.

If I meet one of the writers (not totally implausible), I'll let them know you and some others feel continuity is more important than they are currently treating it. I'm betting they tell me that ratings are all that matters at a time when they are on the edge of being cancelled, and that they do not think increasing continuity will help the ratings. But I will give it a shot anyway...

 

[jdavis]

Here is funky thought, what if the very last episode has them fixing the time line all of sudden the ship looks kind of like the ship from the TOS, the uniforms change to the TOS series type and we see the fledgling federation beginning to arm for war against the Klingons. The time travel guy is happy, the crew of Enterprise is all content because for them nothing is wrong and the pure Star Trek geeks will be happy and you would have one of the funkyiest series finals ever made.


Just my 2 cents.

Will they make it that far? I didn't think the series was doing all that well. It would make a great end to the series and explain everything, but the problem is that they need people to watch now. They could do what they did on DS 9 when the rating tanked, add Worf and start a war. Or maybe they are going to do what Voyager did and add 7 of 9 to the show.

 

[Black Omega]

If I meet one of the writers (not totally implausible), I'll let them know you and some others feel continuity is more important than they are currently treating it. I'm betting they tell me that ratings are all that matters at a time when they are on the edge of being cancelled, and that they do not think increasing continuity will help the ratings. But I will give it a shot anyway...

I would heartily agree ratings are what matter. And Enterprise was a show you would expect would do well in the ratings. A significant core audience and the hope of drawing in Bakula fans. Obviously the current approach is failing. At what point would you normally expect they might decide they need to make some changes?

 

[jdavis]

That's the big point? You feel I (or someone) am preventing you from saying that you do not like the show?

J, you go on saying how much you do not like the show. I'm not trying to stop you. Nobody is trying to stop you.

If I meet one of the writers (not totally implausible), I'll let them know you and some others feel continuity is more important than they are currently treating it. I'm betting they tell me that ratings are all that matters at a time when they are on the edge of being cancelled, and that they do not think increasing continuity will help the ratings. But I will give it a shot anyway...

No that was just my big point in response to your "I'm out of touch with reality"post. You obviously held that my post had no validity and that I didn't know what I was talking about. We can go point by point back and forth about the facts but when you go from whether the show has problems or not to claiming that my grasp on reality isn't tight that changes things a bit. What is my Drama about the show? I have no personal drama here I just wish the show was better so it would be worth my time to watch on a regular basis. I'm sorry you had such strong feelings for my offhanded dislike of the show.

I can't back up whether my opinion is wrong or right but I can defiantly tell you that the ratings speak of what the writers opinion of how Star Trek should be is worth, do I thing adding more storyline continuity would help, no I think it is too late for that, I think they have alienated too many people to save this show now. It really is all about the ratings, maybe they should of tried harder to reach their fanbase. When you talk to one of those writers tell him I said Hi.

 

[Agamon]

Say...maybe Enterprise is part of the Star Fleet Battles timeline, which is divergent of the TNG timeline...

 

[Darius101]

It is not following the Starfleet Battles Timeline either ....
That would a cool thing though...talk about history.

SFB timeline is also divergent of the original series timeline but it made a more logical progression.

What does the series need to get more ratings? I would say they need to do less stories about stuff that has already been done to death. The shows that have had the highest ratings have been very good and somewhat unique.
The Andorian stories have been high in the ratings and the timeline stories have been less high ratings wise. The problem is they have too many story lines / loose ends going at once and some of these loose ends do not coincide with their own timeline or previous cannon.
That to me is what is the most frustrating. Even more so than them not following the original series history/timeline.
But after all it is just a show and it really doesn't matter now does it...
Darius

 

[myrdden]

Part of me wonders about the ratings: are they lackluster due to the quality (or expectation) of the show or are people tired of Star Trek for the moment? They did produce VOY while DS9 was still on air and ENT appeared pretty much right after the end of VOY. Maybe people are just tired on Star Trek.

Myrdden