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billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him) 🇺🇦🇵🇸🏳️‍⚧️
Yeah, I know, reality sucks sometimes. My dream would have been finding a way to make it work.
Indeed. I think WotC's early relationship with Paizo might have yielded a model that could have worked for support of product lines with IP originating from WotC's assets but spun out for support. But when they, ultimately, turned on Paizo (whether as a deliberate policy or as a cumulative result of a set of decisions), they kind of put an end to that potential.
 

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Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
It did, but it also helped separate the fans into separate mini-markets, most of which weren't big enough to sustain TSR's efforts. I too love some of the really different stuff they produced, but I really didn't love (or even particularly like) some of the rest. This might have been OK if the different settings were being done by separate, contracted companies looking out for their own bottom lines or with less aggressive release schedules and support so that the investment didn't exceed the return. But then we'd almost certainly have had a lot less stuff and of generally more spare quality.
Do we have to look at every game through the metric of sales? Everyone knows that TSR split their audience with all the campaign settings. I don't care how successful they were, I loved having them and was and am very glad all that stuff came out. Can we talk about games in any other terms, or will always come down to how much money they made?
 

billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him) 🇺🇦🇵🇸🏳️‍⚧️
Do we have to look at every game through the metric of sales? Everyone knows that TSR split their audience with all the campaign settings. I don't care how successful they were, I loved having them and was and am very glad all that stuff came out. Can we talk about games in any other terms, or will always come down to how much money they made?
It’s less a question about how much money they made. Rather it’s WERE THEY SUSTAINABLE. It’s a real Pyrrhic victory to have great materials that ultimately helped kill the company.
 


billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him) 🇺🇦🇵🇸🏳️‍⚧️
Pyrrhic victory for TSR, maybe. Big win for the fans.
Win for the fans, at an exorbitant cost (the company producing the material so that they can’t produce more) - pretty much a textbook example of a Pyrrhic victory. For the fans.
 

Reynard

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Win for the fans, at an exorbitant cost (the company producing the material so that they can’t produce more) - pretty much a textbook example of a Pyrrhic victory. For the fans.
Let's not forget the actual motivation in the situation: to make money off the distribution deal. Ina company where creatives were kept from all the business aspects, it was a huge boon. They were told to design stuff and given freedom to do so. That means they got to make what they wanted, not whatever bland crap the company demanded.
 



overgeeked

B/X Known World
So for everyone having a hard time with THAC0, here you go. Problem solved.

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And just in case, here's one for all the other editions of TSR's D&D.

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