"Once per round"
Bagpuss
Legend
Nice reference from the information about Immediate Actions
Once per Round: You can take only one immediate action per round, either an immediate interrupt or an immediate reaction. If you haven’t taken an immediate action since the end of your last turn, you can take one when a trigger allows you to. You can’t take an immediate action on your own turn.
It seems clear that (at least for immediate actions), a round is measured from the end of your last turn, to the end of your next. I'd stick with that as a definition.
Once per Round: You can take only one immediate action per round, either an immediate interrupt or an immediate reaction. If you haven’t taken an immediate action since the end of your last turn, you can take one when a trigger allows you to. You can’t take an immediate action on your own turn.
It seems clear that (at least for immediate actions), a round is measured from the end of your last turn, to the end of your next. I'd stick with that as a definition.
william_nova
Explorer
I think the problem lies in turn vs. round.
ZetaStriker is describing a round, while PeelSeel2 is describing a turn, in a 3e kinda way, I'm pretty sure. 3e isn't my cup of tea, esp. at this time of the morning.
The round begins with the highest initiative number and proceeds to the lowest, with your turn somewhere in there amid the NPCs and other PCs.
Your turn begins when your initiative number comes up in a round, and lasts from when you begin your upkeep
ie, ongoing damage, regeneration, "other effects" as mentioned on page 268, to actions on your turn, to the end of your turn, on page 269, where you make saving throws, etc. (It's not AFAIK from the start of your initiative to the start of your next initiative. At least, not in 4e.)
Good example of this terminology in action are the 2 kinds of Triggered Actions, OAs use the term "turn" while Immediate Actions use the term "round" since an OA is done on a specific creatures turn, while an interrupt or a reaction can go off at any point when the trigger is met.
ZetaStriker is describing a round, while PeelSeel2 is describing a turn, in a 3e kinda way, I'm pretty sure. 3e isn't my cup of tea, esp. at this time of the morning.
The round begins with the highest initiative number and proceeds to the lowest, with your turn somewhere in there amid the NPCs and other PCs.
Your turn begins when your initiative number comes up in a round, and lasts from when you begin your upkeep
ie, ongoing damage, regeneration, "other effects" as mentioned on page 268, to actions on your turn, to the end of your turn, on page 269, where you make saving throws, etc. (It's not AFAIK from the start of your initiative to the start of your next initiative. At least, not in 4e.)Good example of this terminology in action are the 2 kinds of Triggered Actions, OAs use the term "turn" while Immediate Actions use the term "round" since an OA is done on a specific creatures turn, while an interrupt or a reaction can go off at any point when the trigger is met.
Dragonblade
Adventurer
GIBraag said:
Once per round means from your turn to the next. It has the exact same meaning it does in 3e.
If the Rogue can take his sneak attack then he can do so, but could not take it again until after that monster's next turn.
Dragonblade
Adventurer
Dragonblade said:
Nevermind. After rereading the book. I'm totally wrong. One "round" does not seem to mean the same thing it does in 3e.
One round is from top of initiative to bottom of intiative. So if you used sneak attack on the last creature to act in a round, you can potentially use it again immediately since that round just ended and a new one began.
This is why most durations refer to "turns" or your "next turn".
This makes feats like Improved Initiative potentially pretty nasty. Going first is now something that can give you an advantage throughout the whole combat, not just on the first round, since some powers would refresh regardless of when you used them in the prior round.
Either way should work, as long as you don't accidentally combine the two.
The initial example of the rogue who sneak attacks as an OA before his turn, then does it again on his own turn, works if "round" is defined as starting with one's own turn -- but only if the rogue did not use sneak attack on his own previous turn (since that would have been part of the same round as the OA).
Only if someone tried to sneak attack on his turn, then OA-sneak attack at the top of the next combat round (since a new round has begun), AND also sneak attack on his next turn (since a new "round" for *him* has begun) would things screw up.
However, those who have the books seem to be indicating that "top of the round to bottom," with no reference to individual turns, is correct by RAW.
Deadstop
The initial example of the rogue who sneak attacks as an OA before his turn, then does it again on his own turn, works if "round" is defined as starting with one's own turn -- but only if the rogue did not use sneak attack on his own previous turn (since that would have been part of the same round as the OA).
Only if someone tried to sneak attack on his turn, then OA-sneak attack at the top of the next combat round (since a new round has begun), AND also sneak attack on his next turn (since a new "round" for *him* has begun) would things screw up.
However, those who have the books seem to be indicating that "top of the round to bottom," with no reference to individual turns, is correct by RAW.
Deadstop
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