OOC Kingdom of Ashes IV - Who's yo' daddy?

[The_Universe]

Seding AB with force to Island good, it has to be agreed that he carries them or what not but grandpappy doesn't get them right away.

Just so it's not later said that I didn't warn you, AB probably won't jump on this bandwagon without significant prompting. If he wins the blades, he'll want to be able to do what he pleases with them. He fundamentally believes in your cause, but he still has to sell this war at home. Nobody wants to fight and die (or re-die) if there's no potential reward. Heck, even when there is a potential reward, people don't usually want to do that. So prepare to be diplomatic, and prepare to duel the Universe with words! That's right...your next encounter may be with....*drum roll* The Devil's Advocate! *cymbal crash!* But not that stupid movie....

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

We don't have to bring down the forces in Caer Albion. This is key. We just have to show up, deal some damage and escape with everyone else.

And, here is where our problem is. Going, fighting, and leaving is easy enough. But, from the limited knowledge we got from the Mage from Caer Albion, they are not willing to retreat. That is why they have asked us for help.

They can escape on their own-- saving hundreds of lives without our help. If we do not go, the blood of innocents is not on our hands.

If we go, simply planning to fight until retreat is inevitable, we encourage them to fight, die, and--when all is lost--flee. If we are going to take up Caer Albion as one of our responsibilities we must do more than that.

I believe it is better for us to try to convince them to retreat NOW and save as many lives as possible than to simply resign ourselves to fighting until there is no fight left... our options are to "think creatively" and come up with some way to do more than simply fight and flee or to convince the people of Caer Albion to leave now and continue this fight at some other (more prepared) time.

 

[Laurel]

If Xath ends up wishing to/wanting to/getting to use the Greater Transfer Pregnancy spell.... that would just be weird. Well the spell is anyways, but she would be having Archonus Arrendor's child, and it would be hers too... but not through an act they did....
For some reason this seems like the worst 'where do babies come from? Was that what happened with me?' Question from the five year old kid....

 

[Laurel]

For Caer Albion

So we have to find out what secrets they are protecting? Can we move them, get them out, destroy them?

It seems, lending them a hand until they decide they must flee is still better then not going at all. They have said they will stay. They are showing they will stay and die to the last. We can go and give them a least a little strength maybe saving at least one mage maybe not, but we will also be deflating the enemy even if just by a few.

If 'the blood of innocents is not on our hands' anyways, then helping them fight may give give them hope, but that means they will fight that much better before they die. Grim out look yes, but....

 

[Laurel]

Just so it's not later said that I didn't warn you, AB probably won't jump on this bandwagon without significant prompting. If he wins the blades, he'll want to be able to do what he pleases with them. He fundamentally believes in your cause, but he still has to sell this war at home. Nobody wants to fight and die (or re-die) if there's no potential reward. Heck, even when there is a potential reward, people don't usually want to do that. So prepare to be diplomatic, and prepare to duel the Universe with words! That's right...your next encounter may be with....*drum roll* The Devil's Advocate! *cymbal crash!* But not that stupid movie....

He doesn't jump on any band wagon except the broody one

Then diplom. away- that's supposedly why we have these good speakers with rediculously high bonus to back them up.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Looking at this from Jaine's perspective: the transfer pregnancy idea should be the last resort... she is already shamed by having a child out of wedlock-- not only have a child out of wedlock... but, having the father of that child simply desert her to be with another woman mere days after their encounter. She is embarassed as all get out...

I think, we should explore the options of pulling a Queen Amidala: get a body double for Jaine... teleport the real Jaine and her nurses out of Hyrwl to someplace protected and safe (yet to be determined) where she can have the child.

After which, the child can be raised without any knowledge of his noble heritage.

It is not a whole lot better for Jaine... but, at least she gets to have her child without being propositioned by the woman that stole her husband-to-be... and, if she truly desires, she may be able to bring her son forward someday without have it be *weird*...

Picture this 18 years from now... well, yes, this is my son... but, I magically put him in this other chicks uterus... ya see, times were hard...

However, picture this 18 years from now... in midst of war and instability, I opted to give my child up for adoption... now that I am the queen of a stable county, I would like to bring him forward as a legitimate heir to my throne after my death.

Not totally thought out... but, something to think about, that's for sure... magic doesn't need to be the answer to everything... more importantly, there is a PrC designed specifically for the "Royal Body Double" thing... that in combination with a circlet of persuasion and a bitchin' cloak of cha. could make a pretty convincing Jaine.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

So we have to find out what secrets they are protecting? Can we move them, get them out, destroy them?

It seems, lending them a hand until they decide they must flee is still better then not going at all. They have said they will stay. They are showing they will stay and die to the last. We can go and give them a least a little strength maybe saving at least one mage maybe not, but we will also be deflating the enemy even if just by a few.

If 'the blood of innocents is not on our hands' anyways, then helping them fight may give give them hope, but that means they will fight that much better before they die. Grim out look yes, but....

I'm not saying we shouldn't go-- far from it. I do not think we should go with the "fight until there's nothing left" mentality. The end goal cannot be retreat. If that's the case, skip the fighting and possibly dying and get right to the retreating before too many mages are dead to make it a possibility.

 

[The_Universe]

Girls have Cooties, and Xath has someone else's baby...?

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I agree there is value is slowing down some of the heavy hitters... but, we need to keep in mind that they WANT to stay... so, it seems that helping them fight only delays the inevitable.

If they are going to run away, we should try to convince them to do that before we fight on their behalf. If we can convince them to come with us, we will save SO many more lives than if we fight until we can't fight anymore.

If we get them out ASAP, we would have the resources of Talon HQ on our side.

 

[Xath]

Just for note, Xath is not saying that she wants to have Jaine and Archon's baby. I (Gertie) put that spell up there so that we would know all of the options. Xath would not suggest this, nor would she fight for it. However, if Jaine and Archon decide this to be the best course of action, Xath may be persuaded to do it.

And hey, the only reason I thought of it was because Jaine mentioned it in a convo that i have not yet had the chance to write up prettily. Not that she actually meant it. It just gave me the idea. So don't think that my posting of the thread reflects Xath's intentions in any way.