OOC Kingdom of Ashes VI (Welcome to the Springer Dimension)

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Also, just talking to Kennon about all of this, and 13 Talon branches are in addition to all of the actual armies/armed forces... so, you have all 13 or 14 branches and then the Army of the Watch, etc...

So, you really have closer to 20 distinct "areas" of military, civil service, etc. Thinking it may well be time to revise the way it is set up.

 

[The_Universe]

Yes - the current structure is heavily steeped in tradition, though not necessarily an efficient way to organize a decent military. It's certainly possible in this set up for the proverbial right hand to operate completely oblivious of what the left is doing. You might have ten different kinds of units sent to the same area, or none (because leadership assumes someone else is taking care of it).

Having a nobles council with oversight over the army and navy has helped somewhat, but the Talons are the Thrones Prerogative.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Justice is attempting to decide if it is worth expending resources to try to bring enough Apectan Bishops to Hyrwl to vote on a new head Bishop - hopefully, if we can stay far away from the King's influence, we can vote in someone who is *NOT* the King's personal religious advisor.

I'd like the opinions of the group as it would be a major undertaking. Probably require lots of teleporting and the like... but, it may be worth it to prevent the King's advisor from taking over the highest position in the Apectan church...

Thoughts?

 

[The_Universe]

Justice is attempting to decide if it is worth expending resources to try to bring enough Apectan Bishops to Hyrwl to vote on a new head Bishop - hopefully, if we can stay far away from the King's influence, we can vote in someone who is *NOT* the King's personal religious advisor.

I'd like the opinions of the group as it would be a major undertaking. Probably require lots of teleporting and the like... but, it may be worth it to prevent the King's advisor from taking over the highest position in the Apectan church...

Thoughts?

If you got all the bishops together for an honest election, the King's advisor would probably win (just so you know). By all appearances, he's a devout priest, a learned scholar, and a powerful white mage - all good qualities for a High Bishop, or even Patriarch of the Church of the Light.

Now, all of that may be (probably is) a ruse - but that doesn't change the fact that that's what they see, and that that's how most of them would vote.

 

[Xath]

Couldn't they Detect Good on him and know something is wrong if he doesn't ping? You'd think there would be some sort of ceremony where the proper tests were administered.

 

[The_Universe]

Couldn't they Detect Good on him and know something is wrong if he doesn't ping? You'd think there would be some sort of ceremony where the proper tests were administered.

Because alignments can be so easily faked (either by the potential Bishop to hide his own alignment, or by others to make him a less attractive candidate) such tests are not administered. Magic merely adds another layer of possible lies, making any such detections unreliable, at best.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

If you got all the bishops together for an honest election, the King's advisor would probably win (just so you know). By all appearances, he's a devout priest, a learned scholar, and a powerful white mage - all good qualities for a High Bishop, or even Patriarch of the Church of the Light.

Now, all of that may be (probably is) a ruse - but that doesn't change the fact that that's what they see, and that that's how most of them would vote.

I was hoping that the actual process would be lengthy... and, as the bishops were brough to Hyrwl or Caer M, they could slowly be worked on... would also give us time to research any negative aspects of the King's advisor... additionally, his connection to the king should be enough, with a decent diplomacy roll and the telling of The Story, could be enough to persuade them to vote for someone else...

The Bishop at Caer M (Bishop Carr) could be our official "Candidate"...

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Has there been an attempt to deliver the message of the demise of the Patriarch to all of the voting Bishops?

 

[The_Universe]

Has there been an attempt to deliver the message of the demise of the Patriarch to all of the voting Bishops?

Not from Caer Albion, no. They have what you might call more pressing concerns

I was hoping that the actual process would be lengthy... and, as the bishops were brough to Hyrwl or Caer M, they could slowly be worked on... would also give us time to research any negative aspects of the King's advisor... additionally, his connection to the king should be enough, with a decent diplomacy roll and the telling of The Story, could be enough to persuade them to vote for someone else...

The Bishop at Caer M (Bishop Carr) could be our official "Candidate"...

Typically, the process of choosing a bishop lasts no more than a few days, as obvious candidates should be well known, already - the only real problem is praying over who should be next (as well as some arguing, although most church officials would insist that it's mostly praying). If you wish to lengthen the process, you must get all of the bishops in one place (including the ones you suspect to be corrupted), and somehow convince them that how the process has worked for a thousand years is insufficient in the present - and that they are perfectly alright remaining distant from their flocks (many of which are in mortal danger) for all of that added time.

It's not impossible, but it's not going to be easy, either. Even after all of your work, you still may end up with a bishop of whom you do not approve.

 

[Laurel]

Why not just set up Preston as our head bishop. After the war is over the king will be found out, and in the middle of all this we get dirt on the possible or soon to be head bishop of the apectin order, and so we can then at that point say you chose due to influence now truely pray and figure out who truely it should be in charge. They get to deliberate again, and the 'light' tells them to pick Preston- by that point he will be very well known, and have more good and proper things under his belt plus being proven correct and hopefully we will have all the info necessary for them to admit him as a whole entity of the church.

Currently though, I didn't think bringing them all to Hywrl to vote. No matter how high the diplomacy check the words and truth and validation must still be there, which currently we don't have completly. If we push it now and fail, it could hurt worse then waiting and pushing when we have a)more power and b)evidence and facts they can't dispute.

We are trying to overthrow Tain's system in general. After a big war generally the loser losses everything. If his favor is known for this particular guy it will not go in his favor after the war is done and we are the winners

But just my ramblings