OOC Kingdom of Ashes VI (Welcome to the Springer Dimension)

[Laurel]

I was hoping that the actual process would be lengthy... and, as the bishops were brough to Hyrwl or Caer M, they could slowly be worked on... would also give us time to research any negative aspects of the King's advisor... additionally, his connection to the king should be enough, with a decent diplomacy roll and the telling of The Story, could be enough to persuade them to vote for someone else...

The Bishop at Caer M (Bishop Carr) could be our official "Candidate"...

The truth is that to people outside Hywrl we are still the rebellion that is overtaking the king. Not the good group overtaking a bad and wrongfully crowed king. The refugees that just made it to us were shocked and surprised to find us to be that small group of rebels he had heard about a while ago and accusing the king. As they stay, they will learn and hear about the devious and evil doings of the king and start to believe in our cause, but to the world at large the draconid army and the king are not one in the same. We are starting to get the word out, but for the most part it is still very limited. As Xath goes on her diplomacy missions to other cities, we will achieve a great step in this direction of bringing the correct news to people (if she's still going- mentioned two games ago?).

So unless most of the bishops for the light are within Hywrl already this will be at this point nearly impossible. If I remember correctly we have een in contact with quite a few Apectin preists all who would have serious issues with Preston as he is known now. His image has to change amongst them, only then could we pose him as the new head.

Bishop Carr has a better likely hood of winning compared to Preston, but would he even want to try for it now? Is he someone Justice would follow to lead her in her faith?

 

[Laurel]

Just spot grouped the 13 and put some names with them. Don't really like the names and some of the groupings myself, but all I could think of right now.

1) Shields--
Throneshield (Bodyguards)
Berserkers (Shock troops/Extreme Climate Troops)
Blades (Elite swordsmen and -women/Heavy Infantry)

2) Wings--
Horselords (Heavy and Light Cavalry)
Hawkflight (Aerial Cavalry/Falcon Riders)

3) Talons--
Justices (Manhunters/Marshals/Traveling Lawmen/Detectives)

4) Beaks--
Whitemage (Clerics and Healers)
Redmage (Sorcerers)
Loremasters (Librarians/Teachers/Bards/Lorekeepers)
Builders (Engineers)

5) Paths--
Shipmasters (Elite Naval and Marine Units)

6) Eyes--
Hunters (Trackers/Spies)
Scouts (Rogues/Spies/Very light infantry)

Personally, I have issues with the old kingdom's system. There are groups that are together that don't need to nor seem like they should be together, and yet others that seem naturally they should go together yet they don't..... but then again I think like a non-military female
We can go with some of the old names and references, but personally I would see the whole thing re-ordered into an easier system.

Also, remember even though those are the 13 listed, we now have 14 bluemages, 15 green mages, 16 the type Gertie mentioned.... by the end of just setting up the kingdom who knows how many more we will have. But having these go under this, and hose go under that we can have 100 subgroups, or sub- sub groups but with Throne- six heads- 16 9or however many) heads and so forth. This could also lessen the whole confusion on who does what or who should be doing something. Groups can work together easier.

but just some more ramblings....

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Not from Caer Albion, no. They have what you might call more pressing concerns

Typically, the process of choosing a bishop lasts no more than a few days, as obvious candidates should be well known, already - the only real problem is praying over who should be next (as well as some arguing, although most church officials would insist that it's mostly praying). If you wish to lengthen the process, you must get all of the bishops in one place (including the ones you suspect to be corrupted), and somehow convince them that how the process has worked for a thousand years is insufficient in the present - and that they are perfectly alright remaining distant from their flocks (many of which are in mortal danger) for all of that added time.

It's not impossible, but it's not going to be easy, either. Even after all of your work, you still may end up with a bishop of whom you do not approve.

When I said "The Process" - I meant the process of getting the Bishops TO Hyrwl...

However, I'm afraid that the King and his buddies will have done too much harm to the Church by the end of the war through the influence of the current Bishop stand-in... so, my initial thought was that it was very important to get someone that was at least impartial to the current goings on - if not sympathetic to our cause.

Indeed, Justice would put her faith in Bishop Carr. He is a faithful and trustworthy man that has helped us quite a bit - bringing back L'Aurel and all...

 

[Archon]

Her Majesty's Royal Guard

We should formalize Jaine's Royal Guard for two reasons....
1.) to incorporate her bodyguards into the standardization of the Phoenix Army. They may be pulled from the any of the military units currently allied under the Phoenix Banner, but once they swear their Oath to the Queen they follow no one's orders, not even the queens. I think for them to be most effective they should be able to say no to the queen(when her safety is at stake). This leads to number dizel...
2.) to carefully screen each individual Guardsman. Not only do they have to be approved by the Noble's Council, or since we lack a formalized council, The Circle but they have to be personally vouched for by a member of said council. Before they even get to council though, they must be capable (level 10 at least, but right now beggars can't be choosers), competent warriors (any class, preferablly "Martyr" ) with a history of honorable and moral behavior (LG).

anyway, my thoughts on it since it was mentioned earlier that we don't really have a formalized guard. it's just kind of Shadows and elite veterans of the various units.

i also suggest making Frairithier Captain of the Royal Guard seeing as how he makes all of the above requirments for the "Phoenix Praetorian" Prestige Class.
peice,
michols

 

[The_Universe]

When I said "The Process" - I meant the process of getting the Bishops TO Hyrwl...

OK. How does that change matters?

However, I'm afraid that the King and his buddies will have done too much harm to the Church by the end of the war through the influence of the current Bishop stand-in... so, my initial thought was that it was very important to get someone that was at least impartial to the current goings on - if not sympathetic to our cause.

Think of it this way - communication channels are down over most of the kingdom, and anything *obviously* evil would draw suspicion onto the King's advisor (whose name is Arawn Carthusen). The church is more likely to simply be destroyed before it's corrupted beyond repair.

Indeed, Justice would put her faith in Bishop Carr. He is a faithful and trustworthy man that has helped us quite a bit - bringing back L'Aurel and all...

If you recall, Bishop Carr does not like you, for that very reason. He demanded that you leave Caer Melyn, in fact, because of your participation in the "unholy" ritual that brought L'Aurel back to you.

 

[The_Universe]

We should formalize Jaine's Royal Guard for two reasons....
1.) to incorporate her bodyguards into the standardization of the Phoenix Army. They may be pulled from the any of the military units currently allied under the Phoenix Banner, but once they swear their Oath to the Queen they follow no one's orders, not even the queens. I think for them to be most effective they should be able to say no to the queen(when her safety is at stake). This leads to number dizel...
2.) to carefully screen each individual Guardsman. Not only do they have to be approved by the Noble's Council, or since we lack a formalized council, The Circle but they have to be personally vouched for by a member of said council. Before they even get to council though, they must be capable (level 10 at least, but right now beggars can't be choosers), competent warriors (any class, preferablly "Martyr" ) with a history of honorable and moral behavior (LG).

anyway, my thoughts on it since it was mentioned earlier that we don't really have a formalized guard. it's just kind of Shadows and elite veterans of the various units.

i also suggest making Frairithier Captain of the Royal Guard seeing as how he makes all of the above requirments for the "Phoenix Praetorian" Prestige Class.
peice,
michols

Other than the fact that the Queen's Guard have to take orders from somebody, so that corruption does not run rampant, this is a good idea.

I think the oath is a particularly good idea, although Frarathir's talents are not precisely in the body-guard kind of range.

How many men (or women, I suppose) do you want to have in the Queen's Guard /Throne's Shield/Whatever?

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

OK. How does that change matters?

Think of it this way - communication channels are down over most of the kingdom, and anything *obviously* evil would draw suspicion onto the King's advisor (whose name is Arawn Carthusen). The church is more likely to simply be destroyed before it's corrupted beyond repair.

If you recall, Bishop Carr does not like you, for that very reason. He demanded that you leave Caer Melyn, in fact, because of your participation in the "unholy" ritual that brought L'Aurel back to you.

I figured, though the time it took to bring all the bishops to Hyrwl, we could preach to them - let them see the rebellion for what it is... hopefully get the majority of them on our side... and then, once it comes time to vote, they would pick Bishop Carr...My hope was that we could repair the relationship with Bishop Carr that way...

But, we'll leave the situation as is with the Apectan Church. I certainly don't like it... however, it doesn't seem that there's anything I can do to fix it.

 

[Laurel]

We should formalize Jaine's Royal Guard for two reasons....
1.) to incorporate her bodyguards into the standardization of the Phoenix Army. They may be pulled from the any of the military units currently allied under the Phoenix Banner, but once they swear their Oath to the Queen they follow no one's orders, not even the queens. I think for them to be most effective they should be able to say no to the queen(when her safety is at stake). This leads to number dizel...
2.) to carefully screen each individual Guardsman. Not only do they have to be approved by the Noble's Council, or since we lack a formalized council, The Circle but they have to be personally vouched for by a member of said council. Before they even get to council though, they must be capable (level 10 at least, but right now beggars can't be choosers), competent warriors (any class, preferablly "Martyr" ) with a history of honorable and moral behavior (LG).

anyway, my thoughts on it since it was mentioned earlier that we don't really have a formalized guard. it's just kind of Shadows and elite veterans of the various units.

i also suggest making Frairithier Captain of the Royal Guard seeing as how he makes all of the above requirments for the "Phoenix Praetorian" Prestige Class.
peice,
michols

I like the general idea you are tlakign about, and agree with the fact that her gaurd must be set up pronto

Okay Martyr and LG I don't think have to be qualifications, they could be great things to look for but should not be requirements.... has L'Aurel ever acted unhonorable or unmoral? She's not LG. And just cause someone is LG doesn't mean they haven't done something less then perfect in the past or couldn't in the future. The alignment of good I can see, but not really the lawful part.

And you want Farathier in charge..... just kidding- just after reading all the qualifications then saw his name could be a really good choice, and I'd vote for him, why not

Also, they should follow the Throne's rules and orders. Otherwise they are above the law, and it is just asking for issues down the line. Hopefully they will gain trust within and amongst themselves and will be able to tell thier ruler -it may be better to do this instead.

Could we also add that the council member vouching for someone can not be vouching or have vouchued for x number serving or under question of nomination. This may help not have one person who can manipulate the group and thus the throne through the guard. If everyone were to stay upstanding and perfect and trustworthy not a problem, but having seen Tain's deviousness we wouldn't want to give someone that power again if we can help it.

 

[Laurel]

I figured, though the time it took to bring all the bishops to Hyrwl, we could preach to them - let them see the rebellion for what it is... hopefully get the majority of them on our side... and then, once it comes time to vote, they would pick Bishop Carr...My hope was that we could repair the relationship with Bishop Carr that way...

But, we'll leave the situation as is with the Apectan Church. I certainly don't like it... however, it doesn't seem that there's anything I can do to fix it.

Um- I don't think anyone but Tain and his people LIKE what is happening. Preston for example I doubt is jumping for joy. And just because we are not running around with the tabard of the clerical Apectin order does not mean we don't care about the corruption or that we are okay with letting the church suffer.

Also, your are probably right in that there is nothing Justice can do right now, but perhaps later there will be something we can all help with and correct the situation- making a reforged and stronger church bacause of it.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I realize there isn't wide-spread joy over the situation. Just expressing my extreme distaste and frustration for the situation because I really wish that I could do something about it... I'm sure all the characters have something like that.

Justice is already upset with the church for excommunicating Preston and Dorn/refusing to admit that Thane had a child... this just adds to her extreme anger. *grumbling*