OOC Kingdom of Ashes VI (Welcome to the Springer Dimension)

[The_Universe]

I figured, though the time it took to bring all the bishops to Hyrwl, we could preach to them - let them see the rebellion for what it is... hopefully get the majority of them on our side... and then, once it comes time to vote, they would pick Bishop Carr...My hope was that we could repair the relationship with Bishop Carr that way...

But, we'll leave the situation as is with the Apectan Church. I certainly don't like it... however, it doesn't seem that there's anything I can do to fix it.

You certainly could do that - but the risks are many, and the chance of a postive return relatively low. You have an excellent diplomacy score...but you'd still have to get them to you, and keep them with you long enough to preach the glories of the Phoenix Kingdom to them...

All while the war rages.

It's a difficult, undesirable situation. Make the best of it, but even the Circle of the Phoenix can't win every battle.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I like the general idea you are tlakign about, and agree with the fact that her gaurd must be set up pronto

Okay Martyr and LG I don't think have to be qualifications, they could be great things to look for but should not be requirements.... has L'Aurel ever acted unhonorable or unmoral? She's not LG. And just cause someone is LG doesn't mean they haven't done something less then perfect in the past or couldn't in the future. The alignment of good I can see, but not really the lawful part.

And you want Farathier in charge..... just kidding- just after reading all the qualifications then saw his name could be a really good choice, and I'd vote for him, why not

Also, they should follow the Throne's rules and orders. Otherwise they are above the law, and it is just asking for issues down the line. Hopefully they will gain trust within and amongst themselves and will be able to tell thier ruler -it may be better to do this instead.

Could we also add that the council member vouching for someone can not be vouching or have vouchued for x number serving or under question of nomination. This may help not have one person who can manipulate the group and thus the throne through the guard. If everyone were to stay upstanding and perfect and trustworthy not a problem, but having seen Tain's deviousness we wouldn't want to give someone that power again if we can help it.

I don't think the class is necessarily important. However, I do agree that LG should be a necessity.

 

[Archon]

I like the general idea you are tlakign about, and agree with the fact that her gaurd must be set up pronto

Okay Martyr and LG I don't think have to be qualifications, they could be great things to look for but should not be requirements.... has L'Aurel ever acted unhonorable or unmoral? She's not LG. And just cause someone is LG doesn't mean they haven't done something less then perfect in the past or couldn't in the future. The alignment of good I can see, but not really the lawful part.

And you want Farathier in charge..... just kidding- just after reading all the qualifications then saw his name could be a really good choice, and I'd vote for him, why not

Also, they should follow the Throne's rules and orders. Otherwise they are above the law, and it is just asking for issues down the line. Hopefully they will gain trust within and amongst themselves and will be able to tell thier ruler -it may be better to do this instead.

Could we also add that the council member vouching for someone can not be vouching or have vouchued for x number serving or under question of nomination. This may help not have one person who can manipulate the group and thus the throne through the guard. If everyone were to stay upstanding and perfect and trustworthy not a problem, but having seen Tain's deviousness we wouldn't want to give someone that power again if we can help it.

i like the additions and the distinction between serving the "Queen" and serving the "Throne". It should be ok if the Guard serves the Throne. As far as the LG requirment, i'd just prefer it but after thinking about it, i mentioned flexibility in my post and you can't have much flexibility if all the guards are of a similar mindset.

 

[The_Universe]

i like the additions and the distinction between serving the "Queen" and serving the "Throne". It should be ok if the Guard serves the Throne. As far as the LG requirment, i'd just prefer it but after thinking about it, i mentioned flexibility in my post and you can't have much flexibility if all the guards are of a similar mindset.

I was just thinking about this as well - for bodyguards, Ideally you'd want CG, in D&D terms. People who aren't afraid to do whatever it takes to make sure the Right result occurs....

And if the bodyguards are exclusively bodyguards, they should serve individuals (and not the conceptual throne). That way, if the Queen abdicates due to age (or something) she can keep her guard, just as her child(ren) would have their own.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I was just thinking about this as well - for bodyguards, Ideally you'd want CG, in D&D terms. People who aren't afraid to do whatever it takes to make sure the Right result occurs....

And if the bodyguards are exclusively bodyguards, they should serve individuals (and not the conceptual throne). That way, if the Queen abdicates due to age (or something) she can keep her guard, just as her child(ren) would have their own.

I suppose this is true... but, seems that CG doesn't allow a lot of room to respect the Law... not really a second thought at breaking it.

 

[The_Universe]

Well, is that ok for a group of people whose sole purpose is to keep the ruler alive?

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Well, is that ok for a group of people whose sole purpose is to keep the ruler alive?

If it's okay for them to operate outside the Law, I suppose...

But, I thought their purpose was to protect the Throne and not the specific leader. Doing *anything* to keep the ruler alive is not always good for the Throne - as we have learned.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

If it's okay for them to operate outside the Law, I suppose...

But, I thought their purpose was to protect the Throne and not the specific leader. Doing *anything* to keep the ruler alive is not always good for the Throne - as we have learned.

The only reason I say this is... I read a book once where the king has an elite force called the Blades guarding him... they are dedicated specifically to keeping the king alive... the king eventually uses that devotion to further his plot to become immortal... there's canabalism and a bunch of other gross stuff...

And, I know Kennon read that book... and I don't want him getting any bright ideas for a future campaign.

So, thinking that having them be dedicated specifically to the welfare of the current ruler is not specifically a good thing... having LG people may create a stronger dedication to the preservation of the Throne and help to avoid corrupting it. *shrugs*

 

[Laurel]

So we meet these ninjas and they are just starvingbut feel it is rulers fault. So they infiltrate and pull a knife and have it at her throat.

Would you want a LG around or just a good with great credientials? Personally I would rather have someone who will just kill the guy and save the life of the ruler, not someone who will have to sit there and debate/talk some guy down. What if the person is just angry about being hungry- LG can't kill them or they aren't lawful good and then they get discharged from service since thier alignment has changed from doing thier job.

Primary objective for these people should be protect the ruler no if ands or buts.

The safty net is in the need for voucher of thier personality and service by someone high up, and also the aspect of good within a person and with the fact that no one can just rise to the ranks they have to prove to lots of people (the council) who and what kind of person they are.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

So we meet these ninjas and they are just starvingbut feel it is rulers fault. So they infiltrate and pull a knife and have it at her throat.

Would you want a LG around or just a good with great credientials? Personally I would rather have someone who will just kill the guy and save the life of the ruler, not someone who will have to sit there and debate/talk some guy down. What if the person is just angry about being hungry- LG can't kill them or they aren't lawful good and then they get discharged from service since thier alignment has changed from doing thier job.

Primary objective for these people should be protect the ruler no if ands or buts.

The safty net is in the need for voucher of thier personality and service by someone high up, and also the aspect of good within a person and with the fact that no one can just rise to the ranks they have to prove to lots of people (the council) who and what kind of person they are.

Well - there needs to be a check on them. Blind devotion to the individual can really be bad if the individual ends up corrupt.

Suggestion?