OOC Kingdom of Ashes VI (Welcome to the Springer Dimension)

[Archon]

Looking over alignments in the SRD and had to share this one:
"Lawful neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot."

you mentioned what i was just about to.
Maybe LG isn't the best alignment for a bodyguard. LN buy it's nature lends itself to a soldier who follows orders, maybe not zealously, but without asking questions. Now, i like your checks and balances so far, it seems fair. As far as the Phoenix Shield goes the bottom line is that they need to be professionals. They need to be trained not just to protect but to kill. They have to be able to not just "re-"act but to "act". They need to be able to kill. Now, being lawful good doesn't keep you from being able to kill, it just means that when you do you need a good reason. Alignment is a sticky subject. I believe a bodyguard could easily be lawful good and be able to kill in the name of protection.
SO, what should our guys be...
LG ensures dedication, devotion and honor.
NG and CG offer differnet ways of handling situations and gives us flexibility but also add an element of instability.
In conclussion i think that the Phoenix Shield should be a pillar and it should portray a feeling of security not just physically but mentally. I'm sticking with my original statment. They should be LG BUT they would take orders from the queen, just like everybody else.
Now, should they serve the Individual or the Throne?
The Throne.
In case of corruption they would become the Kingdoms first failsafe.
The kingdom comes first. If the ruler falters, another can be found.

 

[Laurel]

Honestly, I think the whole alignment req. should be cut or just leave it as good. CG, LG, LN whoever can join if they have the support and trust of others. I just don't see how a LG will do a better job then another alignment (minus evil types).... it may also help to have multiple types within the system. Good seems in general to be the key, someone who will not willfully harm something and has morals.

For an in game reason- alignment is hard to figure out. It can be masked, undetected, or falsified.

Go with what you think though

Mik does pheonix shield = bodyguards? Just want to get your naming terms

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Honestly, I think the whole alignment req. should be cut or just leave it as good. CG, LG, LN whoever can join if they have the support and trust of others. I just don't see how a LG will do a better job then another alignment (minus evil types).... it may also help to have multiple types within the system. Good seems in general to be the key, someone who will not willfully harm something and has morals.

For an in game reason- alignment is hard to figure out. It can be masked, undetected, or falsified.

Go with what you think though

Mik does pheonix shield = bodyguards? Just want to get your naming terms

I think, if we are going to do the whole "Phoenix" thing as a naming scheme the Phoenix Shield should be the main Army.

 

[The_Universe]

you mentioned what i was just about to.
Maybe LG isn't the best alignment for a bodyguard. LN buy it's nature lends itself to a soldier who follows orders, maybe not zealously, but without asking questions. Now, i like your checks and balances so far, it seems fair. As far as the Phoenix Shield goes the bottom line is that they need to be professionals. They need to be trained not just to protect but to kill. They have to be able to not just "re-"act but to "act". They need to be able to kill. Now, being lawful good doesn't keep you from being able to kill, it just means that when you do you need a good reason. Alignment is a sticky subject. I believe a bodyguard could easily be lawful good and be able to kill in the name of protection.
SO, what should our guys be...
LG ensures dedication, devotion and honor.
NG and CG offer differnet ways of handling situations and gives us flexibility but also add an element of instability.
In conclussion i think that the Phoenix Shield should be a pillar and it should portray a feeling of security not just physically but mentally. I'm sticking with my original statment. They should be LG BUT they would take orders from the queen, just like everybody else.
Now, should they serve the Individual or the Throne?
The Throne.
In case of corruption they would become the Kingdoms first failsafe.
The kingdom comes first. If the ruler falters, another can be found.

Then again, if the bodyguards become corrupt, they become the first danger to the king or queen...

Something to think about.

 

[The_Universe]

In all, you have to assume that no one involved will be perfect - or even close to it. So, assuming a group of imperfect people guarding another imperfect person, what do you want from them? Are they guarding a concept? Or a person?

If they are guarding a concept, they may be less zealous about the person that holds the title than they are about the title itself. If that's the case, do you want a small group of bodyguards to be the ones that decide if the King or Queen is worthy of rule?

If it's a person that they guard, they may be more willing to protect them, even if their rule is flawed....but you also won't have to worry about your bodyguards deciding who deserves to sit the throne.

 

[Laurel]

reason I tried splitting them up in one post:

Shields: Bodyguards the ruler

Talon Justices: Bodyguards the idea of the throne

But didn't get any feed back on that one, so figured it was not liked

 

[Archon]

reason I tried splitting them up in one post:

Shields: Bodyguards the ruler

Talon Justices: Bodyguards the idea of the throne

But didn't get any feed back on that one, so figured it was not liked

ahh, i see. hmm...in that case. i like.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

reason I tried splitting them up in one post:

Shields: Bodyguards the ruler

Talon Justices: Bodyguards the idea of the throne

But didn't get any feed back on that one, so figured it was not liked

I just like the idea of the whole army being the Phoenix Shield because they are the protectors of the whole nation. *shrugs* Doesn't really matter that much to me.

 

[The_Universe]

reason I tried splitting them up in one post:

Shields: Bodyguards the ruler

Talon Justices: Bodyguards the idea of the throne

But didn't get any feed back on that one, so figured it was not liked

If you're not going to keep the rest of the Talons, there's very little point in keeping the Talon moniker with the Justices.

As for having them be a check on the throne...I think that's dangerous. Sort of like saying that the FBI can decide if the President is unfit to lead...

 

[Laurel]

If you're not going to keep the rest of the Talons, there's very little point in keeping the Talon moniker with the Justices.

As for having them be a check on the throne...I think that's dangerous. Sort of like saying that the FBI can decide if the President is unfit to lead...

Or it is more like having a whole judiciary side to the government.

Talon Justice's are the only ones effected by the change. They can have a different name, but the whole magic mark that keeps them in line, sworn to protect and uphold the law of the throne, go and do what they must to uphold that.

And they alone can not decide anything, from my post above the chief talon justice (or whatever they will be called) can call into question the ruler, and can ask for a vote but it would be the council and the talon justice kicking them out of office. Similar to if the chief justice of the supreme court got to sit in on congress to vote the president out of office.

The other talons are still around. I'm not even touching the chaos of all those other levels and groups and branches, and something that was just begining to be discussed a page or so back