OOC Kingdom of Ashes VI (Welcome to the Springer Dimension)

[The_Universe]

If you're going to go that far, what's the point of keeping hereditary rulership?

To a degree, we need to remember that we're dealing with a fantasy world where fate is undoubtedly real, and that a True and Rightborn King can actually be born...unlike in the real world.

Sure, you'll get some people on the thrones that are neither True or Rightborn...but we're sliding awfully close to something that looks a bit out of place in our collective make-believe.

Good ideas, though. Keep the discussion going.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Or it is more like having a whole judiciary side to the government.

Talon Justice's are the only ones effected by the change. They can have a different name, but the whole magic mark that keeps them in line, sworn to protect and uphold the law of the throne, go and do what they must to uphold that.

And they alone can not decide anything, from my post above the chief talon justice (or whatever they will be called) can call into question the ruler, and can ask for a vote but it would be the council and the talon justice kicking them out of office. Similar to if the chief justice of the supreme court got to sit in on congress to vote the president out of office.

The other talons are still around. I'm not even touching the chaos of all those other levels and groups and branches, and something that was just begining to be discussed a page or so back

Just a thought:

Shouldn't that check be the responsibility of the Nobles Council?

Do we have like a House of Commons?

If not, we could establish one... Nobles Council as the upper house, House of Commons as the lower... can check the king or queen through these organizations - not the Talons...

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Just a thought:

Shouldn't that check be the responsibility of the Nobles Council?

Do we have like a House of Commons?

If not, I think we should establish one... Nobles Council as the upper house, House of Commons as the lower... can check the king or queen through these organizations - not the Talons...

More of a Constitutional Monarchy...

 

[Laurel]

If you're going to go that far, what's the point of keeping hereditary rulership?

To a degree, we need to remember that we're dealing with a fantasy world where fate is undoubtedly real, and that a True and Rightborn King can actually be born...unlike in the real world.

Sure, you'll get some people on the thrones that are neither True or Rightborn...but we're sliding awfully close to something that looks a bit out of place in out collective make-believe.

Good ideas, though. Keep the discussion going.

Fantasy means you have to have an absolute power model with a king or queen heading it.... didn't know make-believe had strick rules sorry that's what it wounded like.

We are fighting for Jaine and Jaine's line to remain in power, but we aren't fighting for them to have absolute power. at least I didn't think so? We saw what absolute power did for the falcon kingdom. It is a simply let's not repeat this same mistake if we can help it.

My suggestion was also keeping the lines of heredity by the way. If the ruler is unfit to rule they must step aside and the next in line takes over. It is not ruler unfit okay free open elections. It also goes that most likely things will go smoothly and no one will be evil or take advantage of the system, but should it be needed there is a way to fix what is wrong.

 

[Laurel]

Can't change the color- redo that may make more sense

Phoenix Shield: Bodyguards to the ruler of the Phoenix Kingdom.

Individuals are elected by the council for nomination into this elite guard. They must be good aligned and have proven themselves fair and honest even while in active combat.

An individual must have the specific nomination from a council member, and no council member can be nominating member for more then 1/10th of the currently serving guards. The council must then by a majority vote the nominee into the ranks of this elite guard.

The guards duty above all is the protection of the rulers life so long as they hold the throne.

The Captain of the Phoenix Shield answers only to the ruler who holds the phoenix throne.

Thrones Justice- These are individual who serve the Throne. They follow the doctrines of the Phoenix Kingdom, and abide by a strict personal code and a strict oath to obey laws under penalty of death. If their oath is broken (more sever then current!) their lose their hand (maybe have mark elsewhere more painful if destroyed?).

Their ranks are ordered much as the military except they are separate from the Phoenix Army. They travel the land upholding the laws of the Throne, while also making sure the throne’s power is being lead properly. The head of the Throne Justices sits on the council acting as the conscience of the throne.

Through a majority vote with the council and the head Throne Justice the ruler of the land can be removed. The head talon justice’s vote counts for more then the council member’s individually. (Maybe his counts for four votes to their one vote?) If the ruler is voted out, the heir takes over.

 

[The_Universe]

Phoenix Shield: Bodyguards to the ruler of the Phoenix Kingdom.

Individuals are elected by the council for nomination into this elite guard. They must be good aligned and have proven themselves fair and honest even while in active combat.

An individual must have the specific nomination from a council member, and no council member can be nominating member for more then 1/10th of the currently serving guards. The council must then by a majority vote the nominee into the ranks of this elite guard.

The guards duty above all is the protection of the rulers life so long as they hold the throne.

The Captain of the Phoenix Shield answers only to the ruler who holds the phoenix throne.

Thrones Justice- These are individual who serve the Throne. They follow the doctrines of the Phoenix Kingdom, and abide by a strict personal code and a strict oath to obey laws under penalty of death. If their oath is broken (more sever then current!) their lose their hand (maybe have mark elsewhere more painful if destroyed?).

Their ranks are ordered much as the military except they are separate from the Phoenix Army. They travel the land upholding the laws of the Throne, while also making sure the throne’s power is being lead properly. The head of the Throne Justices sits on the council acting as the conscience of the throne.

Through a majority vote with the council and the head Throne Justice the ruler of the land can be removed. The head talon justice’s vote counts for more then the council member’s individually. (Maybe his counts for four votes to their one vote?) If the ruler is voted out, the heir takes over.

Try clicking on the "remove formatting" button in the editing page.

 

[The_Universe]

Fantasy means you have to have an absolute power model with a king or queen heading it.... didn't know make-believe had strick rules sorry that's what it wounded like.

We are fighting for Jaine and Jaine's line to remain in power, but we aren't fighting for them to have absolute power. at least I didn't think so? We saw what absolute power did for the falcon kingdom. It is a simply let's not repeat this same mistake if we can help it.

My suggestion was also keeping the lines of heredity by the way. If the ruler is unfit to rule they must step aside and the next in line takes over. It is not ruler unfit okay free open elections. It also goes that most likely things will go smoothly and no one will be evil or take advantage of the system, but should it be needed there is a way to fix what is wrong.

Just so we're clear, the King does not officially have absolute power - this king has just proven himself more capable of manipulating the noble's council (and the populace in general) than anyone in recent memory due to an abundence of 1) personal loyalty, 2) personal power, 3) trickery, 4) scapegoats, 5) planning.



Despots can rise in any system - and as you know, war is usually the only recourse that people are guaranteed to be able to wield against such tyrants.

 

[The_Universe]

Phoenix Shield: Bodyguards to the ruler of the Phoenix Kingdom.

Individuals are elected by the council for nomination into this elite guard. They must be good aligned and have proven themselves fair and honest even while in active combat.

An individual must have the specific nomination from a council member, and no council member can be nominating member for more then 1/10th of the currently serving guards. The council must then by a majority vote the nominee into the ranks of this elite guard.

The guards duty above all is the protection of the rulers life so long as they hold the throne.

The Captain of the Phoenix Shield answers only to the ruler who holds the phoenix throne.

Good idea.

My suggestions:

Remove the alignment restriction completely, and add in a magical oath similar to the Oath of Fealty that Archon had taken (and I just realized may now be free from, since he died). Alignments can all be faked, and the oath should make sure that the King or Queen will never fall to their own bodyguards.

I like the nominations from the Council - very cool idea. The limits on how many each council member can nominate is excellent, as well.

There should be some specific training (rather than just using veterans) for the Bodyguards - whiel I suppose at the moment you're going to want to give combat veterans the training, in the future, you might train the nominees from the council to be nothing but bodyguards...cementing their loyalty to the Sovereign, and making sure that their talents are perectly used.

 

[Laurel]

Try clicking on the "remove formatting" button in the editing page.

at work all that is disabled. I can't edit with the tool bar at all.

 

[Laurel]

Remove the alignment restriction completely, and add in a magical oath similar to the Oath of Fealty that Archon had taken (and I just realized may now be free from, since he died).

Did he/you roll his undeath? Or since he was gone what part of six seconds it doesn't count?