OOC Kingdom of Ashes VI (Welcome to the Springer Dimension)

[Laurel]

WEEEEEeeeeeeeee- mindfuz

What about this:
They serve the throne, as I figure that is mostly what our charter or regulations will keep phrasing things.

They follow the rules and orders of who sits on that throne (not necessarily literally). Tain sits on the throne, but Jaine sits on the rightful throne, so in this case the throne they would follow is Jaine.

The council will give requests, terms and have conferences with the throne, however again this applies then to who occupies the throne.

This would not necessarily have stopped Tain's rise to power, but it could have given us and others more ways to stop him. Simply by the whole throne issue and no one following Queen, King, Regent, Consort, Baby, or anysuch term, but the throne. This also allows for any of the above (most likely King or Queen ) to rule without having to look at things differently or having things in aptly applied- King's shield for example would be odd should a Queen be leading.....

So to sum up a long and possibly confusing ramble:
In all that we put down on paper, everything is ruled over by the throne.

 

[The_Universe]

I have read the book...and several others in the same series.

But, think of it this way - if the King or Queen is corrupt, their bodyguards are really the least of your worries...they have a great deal more power than merely over their bodyguards.

On the other hand, if the King or Queen is *not* corrupt, do you want to hamper what their bodyguards can and cannot do?

Quite frankly, I am not sure that alignment should effect it one way or another....the importat part is that the bodyguards will try to keep the ruler(s) alive.

 

[The_Universe]

What about this:
They serve the throne, as I figure that is mostly what our charter or regulations will keep phrasing things.

They follow the rules and orders of who sits on that throne (not necessarily literally). Tain sits on the throne, but Jaine sits on the rightful throne, so in this case the throne they would follow is Jaine.

The council will give requests, terms and have conferences with the throne, however again this applies then to who occupies the throne.

This would not necessarily have stopped Tain's rise to power, but it could have given us and others more ways to stop him. Simply by the whole throne issue and no one following Queen, King, Regent, Consort, Baby, or anysuch term, but the throne. This also allows for any of the above (most likely King or Queen ) to rule without having to look at things differently or having things in aptly applied- King's shield for example would be odd should a Queen be leading.....

So to sum up a long and possibly confusing ramble:
In all that we put down on paper, everything is ruled over by the throne.

Just to introduce a hypothetical, here - what if the council is corrupt, and the king or queen is not?

Bodyguards should be loyal to people, not concepts. You have other warriors that can fight for ideals, and strategic goals, and all of those other things - but the only thing a bodyguard HAS to be concerned over is the survival of their ward.

 

[Laurel]

Well - there needs to be a check on them. Blind devotion to the individual can really be bad if the individual ends up corrupt.

Suggestion?

There is a check- the rest of the army, the rest of the population, the ruler themselves, the council who supply the names, the other commanders/generals.

Tain did not gain power by having only his personal guard blind with devotion and following him for no other reason.

I ask you- suggestion?

You posed having LG as thier check-- Having LG guards does not change that the ruler may be corrupt nor does it change that LG person could blindly follow a corrupt fellow. Look at the religious people all over Ares who are LG yet have done wrong. Look at all those LG people who follow Tain. LG doesn't make them less suceptable to blind devotion following.

So what would you suggest?

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I agree. Just don't want a large group of really powerful people to have a blind devotion to a single individual... that's always dangerous.

Mik - you seem to have a pretty large interest in this... maybe you can come up with a basic structure and see what Kennon and the rest of the group think?

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

There is a check- the rest of the army, the rest of the population, the ruler themselves, the council who supply the names, the other commanders/generals.

Tain did not gain power by having only his personal guard blind with devotion and following him for no other reason.

I ask you- suggestion?

You posed having LG as thier check-- Having LG guards does not change that the ruler may be corrupt nor does it change that LG person could blindly follow a corrupt fellow. Look at the religious people all over Ares who are LG yet have done wrong. Look at all those LG people who follow Tain. LG doesn't make them less suceptable to blind devotion following.

So what would you suggest?

I don't exactly have any suggestions... when I do, I always share them - which is why I asked the rest of you.

I wasn't using Tain as an example - was referencing a book that Kennon and I have both read where the king's guard - out of blind devotion to him - is able to carrying out vast atrocities.

Your last couple posts have been very confusing... don't think I understand what you are trying to say, Kat... could you further explain what you mean about vouching/council approval? I'm very lost.

 

[Laurel]

very broad outline

Bodyguards should be loyal to people, not concepts. You have other warriors that can fight for ideals, and strategic goals, and all of those other things - but the only thing a bodyguard HAS to be concerned over is the survival of their ward.

I agree with the above, but also would liek to see something ourside the rulers domain something to keep them in check, something to question them.

So what about this:

Throne's Shield- bodyguards elected by council to protect ruler. guard follows orders of ruler, but above all is the protection of that individuals life. Head of Throne's shield divides group as he wishes (and with rulers concent) how they wish -who guards others in royal family, who guards rulers that have stepped down, and such.

Talon Justice's- serve the Throne. Go through country side as they did before, but they are the check for the ruler. The person in charge of them sits on council as conscience for throne. They still have laws that bind them, but like the US's military articles. They do not work under king or queens ruling. Council and ruler can vote to have head Talon dismissed.

With a vote of council and head talon justice the ruler can be removed. Thier heir apparent gains throne.

Not sure I like the last part almost asking for corruption and problems, but trying to see what people may have issues with. It would allow for corruption to be stopped since there is almost absolute rule so long as you stay in favor.

Mik, this is your original we are working off of and I liked it, so I am trying to keep most of the stuff

 

[Laurel]

I wasn't using Tain as an example - was referencing a book that Kennon and I have both read where the king's guard - out of blind devotion to him - is able to carrying out vast atrocities.

I never stated that you did. I have no idea what book or what reference so no I was not going to question or allude to anything there. I was referencing the power/ruler that started this whole mess for us in game. And I was just stating from that point.

Your last couple posts have been very confusing... don't think I understand what you are trying to say, Kat... could you further explain what you mean about vouching/council approval? I'm very lost.

From Mik's orginial proposition/idea:
"2.) to carefully screen each individual Guardsman. Not only do they have to be approved by the Noble's Council, or since we lack a formalized council, The Circle but they have to be personally vouched for by a member of said council."

I am just keep that part in, as it seemed a major point from Mik's description and one point I very much agree with.

Does that help?

 

[Laurel]

Looking over alignments in the SRD and had to share this one:
"Lawful neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot."

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Looking over alignments in the SRD and had to share this one:
"Lawful neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot."

That is very helpful..

Mik what do you think about the LG, CG, and LN thing?