OT: gaymers?

[Angcuru]

Hmm.. Only just noticed this thread.

My apologies. Please, nobody comment on my conservative comments. Just pointing out that it does make it harder on gay people. Now if only Angcuru was on....

No homosexuality here, pal. Though by Blackshirt5's constant tirade about the subject on my part, I can see why you think that. Personally, I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay whatsoever. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, y'know?

Im 23 and ive just got engaged to the most wonderful man ive ever met.

Long time no see. Congrats, man.

Dont go having sex with just anyone. If you want to wait, wait.

Well, this advice can apply to both heterosexuals and homsexuals. He's right that you should be very selective about whom you hook up with, for however long. I myself have decided long ago that I'm going to wait until I find the right girl for me before I become sexually active. I suggest you do the same, but with guys, of course. Just be sure that anyone who you're going to make a move on is gay before you do so. It'll avoid a lot of awkward and embarassing situations, and you never know how someone is going to react.

Tidus, you've stated that you believe high school is going to be...well, heck. This depends on how you got about dealing with your situation. Like TarrasqueWrangler said, don't go around telling people about your sexual orientation, but don't be afraid to tell the truth should they ask. It's true that to some extent anyone who doesn't date or screw around is going to be the subject of jokes and insults at some point, some more so than others. At my school, homosexuality is a non-issue, and the few gay guys who are 'out of the closet' are actually very popular and well-liked. I hope that will be the case for your high school.

I'm with the take this off this forum crowd. I don't judge anyone here by their lifestyle, but debating it...here is completely off topic and irrelevant. Your sexuality has nothing to do with how you play D&D.

Then I suppose we should close down a lot of the hivemind threads, the threads about sports, and absolutely anything that has nothing to do with D&D. Don't single this one out simply because it is about a touchy subject. In any case, good ol' EricNoah already ruled that the thread will be allowed as long as no deep political or religious discussions pop up. If you don't like the discussion, just don't read the thread. It's as simple as that.

 

[chatdemon]

Then I suppose we should close down a lot of the hivemind threads, the threads about sports, and absolutely anything that has nothing to do with D&D. Don't single this one out simply because it is about a touchy subject. In any case, good ol' EricNoah already ruled that the thread will be allowed as long as no deep political or religious discussions pop up. If you don't like the discussion, just don't read the thread. It's as simple as that.

That would suit me fine, actually, I've always been somewhat outspoken about my dislike for offtopicness. But I'm not trying to crusade for changes in the rules this time, only an enforcing of the existing ones. Yes, Eric did comment on the touchiness of the subject, but I am of the understanding that political discussion is strictly disallowed here, and given the nature of the original post (pre-edit), I was offended and bothered that it was being allowed.

I hope I'm not coming off as anti-gay, because despite my personal feelings about it, I don't condone any intolerance or persecution of anyone for their lifestyle. I would simply just prefer that such edgey topics be moved to where they won't cause debates.

 

[fusangite]

Originally posted by Angcuru says,

I'm with the take this off this forum crowd. I don't judge anyone here by their lifestyle, but debating it...here is completely off topic and irrelevant. Your sexuality has nothing to do with how you play D&D.

Then I suppose we should close down a lot of the hivemind threads, the threads about sports, and absolutely anything that has nothing to do with D&D. Don't single this one out simply because it is about a touchy subject. In any case, good ol' EricNoah already ruled that the thread will be allowed as long as no deep political or religious discussions pop up. If you don't like the discussion, just don't read the thread. It's as simple as that.

Angcuru, that's not the issue here. What we have here is a young man looking for support for not discussion of his sexual identity. The kind of insensitive, freewheeling discussion that characterizes many ENWorld threads is just not appropriate for this particular subject. I'm not suggesting that this be taken off the board because I'm not comfortable with discussing issues of sexuality but because my goal if for Titus444 to find a place where he can have a good, supportive, uninhibited discussion of his sexuality -- ENWorld is the wrong place. I don't want to run the risk of this thread turning into an acrimonious back and forth debate in which comments are made that are hurtful to this young man who appears to me to be looking for a discussion that is not only informed, vigorous and intelligent (as ENWorld can be at its best) but also a discussion that is safe, secure and supportive (something I would never expect out of ENWorld).

 

[SemperJase]

ENWorld is the wrong place. I don't want to run the risk of this thread turning into an acrimonious back and forth debate in which comments are made that are hurtful to this young man who appears to me to be looking for a discussion that is not only informed, vigorous and intelligent (as ENWorld can be at its best) but also a discussion that is safe, secure and supportive (something I would never expect out of ENWorld). [/B]

I agree, this isn't a discussion this board should have since only those who support his choice are the only ones allowed to participate.

 

[Bob Aberton]

I agree, this isn't a discussion this board should have

But, see, you don't get it. It's not a discussion, or at least it shouldn't be. The point of this thread is NOT to argue or "discuss" Tidus' sexuality; this is not a debate between those who "support his 'choice' " and those who don't.

This is an Enworlder asking for support from his fellow Enworlders. This is not an Enworlder asking for his fellow Enworlders to debate and discuss whether he made the right "choice*" as to his sexual orientation. So try to stop arguing and give him some support, eh?

The only argument here that seems likely to turn acrimonious is, ironically, whether or not the thread should be closed to prevent argument.

Come on, people, give this thread a chance...

*"choice." Wtf? I always had the impression that sexual orientation was inherent and not a "choice."

 

[Umbran]

Don't single this one out simply because it is about a touchy subject.

Angcuru, we single out a a lot of things because they are touchy. Or have you forgotten the "no politics or religion rule"? It's a policy that's served the boards very, very well.

Unfortunately for Tidus, we cannot really discuss his issues without drifting into both politics and religion. The problems he faces, the things he needs support for, are intertwined with things we really shouldn't discuss in this forum. So he cannot get what he wants here.

Plus, honestly, there's lots of better places to get information and support on relationships and sexuality than a board nominally dedicated to RPGs. I mean, you wouldn't go to a board devoted to auto mechanics to get advice about your garden, would you?

 

[fusangite]

Bob Aberton says

The only argument here that seems likely to turn acrimonious is, ironically, whether or not the thread should be closed to prevent argument.

So, the fact that in the past hour, Tidus's identity has been re-framed as a "choice" and as a "lifestyle" isn't indicative to you that there is real simmering disagreement here?

Just to be clear: being gay isn't a bloody lifestyle or a choice -- it is who a person is, in other words, part of their identity. Tidus, you need to be discussing this somewhere where people undertstand such things -- where people with supportive views use the correct terms and engage in a discussion that makes you feel stronger and more supported.

OK PirateCat. I'm really sorry about all the things I said about your trigger-happy thread closing -- please please close this thread.

 

[Bob Aberton]

I mean, you wouldn't go to a board devoted to auto mechanics to get advice about your garden, would you?

Heh...there's a joke in there somewhere about farm machinery, but for the life of me I can't get the wording right...

Sorry for that bit of frivolity; you may all return to your serious thread now...

Edit: A reply to fusangite...

Well, maybe this isn't the best place to turn for support and all that. Still, it was his choice to some here for advice. Instead of forcing him to turn elsewhere, why not leave it up to him?

And you referred to a "simmering disagreement (too lazy to use the Quote function right now). Well maybe it's there behind the scenes, but has it come to a boil yet? No. So let's not close the thread before violent arguing erupts; after all, it may not erupt at all.

Wait...I'm contributing to the disagreement now, aren't I? Alright, I'm bowing out of this one; my "arguing instinct" is causing trouble again.

 

[CrusaderX]

But, see, you don't get it. It's not a discussion, or at least it shouldn't be.

It shouldn't be, but when a post includes negative political and religious stereotypes, discussion is going to occur. It's silly (or just naive) to think otherwise. And going back and saying "I may have made such comments, but let's not talk about them, ok?" after the stereotype was already made is still insulting to some. That is what seems to be bothering some folks here, and rightly so.

 

[Tidus4444]

I TOLD you guys to leave Religion and Politics out of this. This thread is too far gone, mods need to close it now. Also, before it gets closed, I want to say that I'm speaking from personal experience. In my old middle school, I don't think you could have found a soul aside from me that though being gay was ok. This was a catholic middle school. Given that Nolan (the school I'm going to) is in the same dioscese, and many of the people who went to my old grade school are going to Nolan, I have no reason to think it will be any different. Just as you cannot, I am sure, see how somebody would ostracise a black kid because he is black, I cannot see how somebody would ostracise a gay kid because he is gay. Just as skin color, sexual orientation is not a choice. Now, let's start a pool as to when this thread will be closed. I give it 10 posts.