OT: gaymers?

[Angelsboi]

Oh, I agree Dr. Im also saying, he may be. Go with gut felings. And yes, dont do anything you dont want to do.

 

[DonAdam]

I'm not going to comment on the homosexuality issue, but rather just say that I'm a very orthodox Catholic theology major, and that if you have any questions about the Church's teachings feel free to email me. It's amazing how much misinformation about what the Church actually teaches is out there.

However, count me among the people that think that this type of thread has no place at ENWorld whatsoever. If it was to set up a meeting or discussion group that's one thing, but I don't think this thread is apolitical at all.

I, for one, take offense that my beliefs (and the people of my state) have been stereotyped as intolerant bigots. I think it's past time this thing got closed.

 

[Tidus4444]

I am catholic, and went to a catholic middle school, so I'm pretty well versed in the church's teachings on homosexuality. Being gay's ok, but being a practicing one isn't. I'm pretty sure we all know that here. I will also keep an open mind about my orientation. And mods, I beg you, please don't close this thread. I purposely edited out all the political comments in my original post. I don't want this to degenerate into a political debate, and I don't think it has yet. So please, just take a watch and decide later attitude.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

So, it largely depends on the state. Texas has a lot of archaic laws about adopting and parental rights, so it seems to be kind of in the dark ages. So, I doubt you would be able to adopt there.

On a more optomistic note, a lot can, and likely will change by the time you're ready for those 2.5 kids. Things are changing every year, and between the decade it may take for you to find the right guy and your hopeful change of venue to one coast or the other (massachusetts is nice too) you are gonna be amazed at how much more realizable those goals seem.

I can't directly relate to the religion thing, but I'd check into Dignity, a glbt catholic group. Out here the catholic church is getting some real push from the laiety (sp) to deal with the beam in their own eye before they bug happy families about their gender makeup. If reconciling your faith and your reality is important to you, I'd recomend reading the bible and putting some of the bits you hear thrown around in better context.

As a mild side note to the "old enough to be sure" issue, there's a very cute commercial on the air lately that plays off the presumed inherent heterosexuality of grade schoolers. He's old enough to know that what everyone is expecting of him isn't ringing true, and damn lucky to live in an era where he can figure out why without getting married to some poor woman whose heart he breaks two decades later...

Kahuna Burger

 

[CrusaderX]

However, count me among the people that think that this type of thread has no place at ENWorld whatsoever. If it was to set up a meeting or discussion group that's one thing, but I don't think this thread is apolitical at all.

I, for one, take offense that my beliefs (and the people of my state) have been stereotyped as intolerant bigots. I think it's past time this thing got closed.

I have to agree with this.

I am catholic, and went to a catholic middle school, so I'm pretty well versed in the church's teachings on homosexuality. Being gay's ok, but being a practicing one isn't. I'm pretty sure we all know that here. I will also keep an open mind about my orientation. And mods, I beg you, please don't close this thread. I purposely edited out all the political comments in my original post. I don't want this to degenerate into a political debate, and I don't think it has yet. So please, just take a watch and decide later attitude.

I'm sorry, but the tone of your post also implies that you think other Catholics are going to be intolerant bigots. And I'm obviously not the only one who is getting this vibe from your post.

Negative stereotypes of all types don't belong here.

 

[DonAdam]

Out here the catholic church is getting some real push from the laiety (sp) to deal with the beam in their own eye before they bug happy families about their gender makeup.

This is exactly the kind of thing I take offense with. This kind of comment has no place on boards dedicated to a gaming hobby.

 

[chatdemon]

Out here the catholic church is getting some real push from the laiety (sp) to deal with the beam in their own eye before they bug happy families about their gender makeup. If reconciling your faith and your reality is important to you, I'd recomend reading the bible and putting some of the bits you hear thrown around in better context.

First off, you encourage reading the bible, but take issue with the Catholic church for standing firm on religious canon?

Then you sweepingly judge all Catholics by the actions of a few messed in the head idiots who happened to also be Catholics?

And you expect those of us on the (politcally) right side of the issue to not become offended?

I'm with the take this off this forum crowd. I don't judge anyone here by their lifestyle, but debating it (and cheapshots at conservatives being removed or not, the decision to leave the bit about wanting to adopt kids in tells me there is still a deabte wanting to happen.) here is completely off topic and irrelevant. Your sexuality has nothing to do with how you play D&D.

 

[Coreyartus]

tidus--

We know you want this thread to stay open, but perhaps this is a topic for another venue. Perhaps you could join that yahoogroup and start it up there. Sexuality and Religion are hot topics, and even if we feel we are personally mature enough to discuss the topics, they just don't have a place here on these boards, regardless. The subjects you need to discuss are polarizing; there is very little neutral zone between the various camps of opinion. Threads like this too easily flame up into useless hostility, and that's certainly not what you need.

I would suggest shifting your discussion to a different board or list, and address your concerns there. Believe me, as a gay male, I know there are better places to get the advice you seek, without having to deal with controversy and rampant flame wars. Please look into the groups that were mentioned above, I know they would welcome you with open arms. Let's let the folks here at ENWorld do what they do best, and get back to discussing their games.

Coreyartus

 

[DonAdam]

Amen, Coreyartus.

 

[fusangite]

Well stated, Coreyartus.

Tidus, we understand that you're just getting the hang of being gay. Given that the process you're going through is a complicated and difficult learning experience, I hope you can view this thread as part of said experience and take away from this the understanding that while many sympathize with your plight and identify with your experience, we are expressing our support for you by identifying a more appropriate forum for you to discuss this.

Finding safe, welcoming, appropriate places to discuss your sexual orientation is one of the great challenges of being a young gay man (for many years I was so insensitive about stuff like this, I failed to provide such a place for my best friend who took nearly a decade to come out to me). I hope you understand, when we ask you to move this discussion to a more appropriate venue, we are doing so because we believe you deserve to have this discussion in a more appropriate and supportive environment.