[OT-Rant] What is UP with Talon Comics??

If you order dice bags, realize that Paladin and his wife are helping to make sure the order goes through (they do have to make it after all) and that therefore you are more likely to get it promptly.

I just ordered from Derek myself an am still waiting for products. I have not even heard a reply from him with any of my emails. But Paladin has been very good about answering questions and getting answers for me.

I knew Derek was having problems but I still ordered from him for two reasons. 1) I wanted a dice bag. 2) Derek has done good by me before and I figure at a time like this, money coming in can't hurt him.

I would advise you, if you are having problems hearing from Derek or he seems to be stalling, to contact Paladin who is on-hand there as it were and can make sure Derek does what he says he will do.
 

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Wicht said:
I would advise you, if you are having problems hearing from Derek or he seems to be stalling, to contact Paladin who is on-hand there as it were and can make sure Derek does what he says he will do.

That's fine for those of us that ordered dice bags (myself not included), but what about the rest of us?

I'm sure Paladin doesn't want to take over running the store for him.

How do I contact Paladin anyway??

From reading previous posts, I'm getting even more annoyed. It appears that some people have been getting recent orders, even though they are delayed.

Others have had to wait for products to be backordered from the publishers.

All I ordered were some old issues of Dragon....one of of which is now unavailable according to the only email I received from Derek (5-6 weeks ago).

It seems like all I'm hearing is excuses.

"He's a nice guy" WHOOP-DE-FRIGGIN-DOO

If the man has time to post frequently on Nutkinland, he has time to answer email or post a notice on the website.

This is undeniable.
 

I'm very sorry to hear about Derek's problems.

I wonder if part of the underlying problem is the policy of discounting? If Talon had the extra margin from the last few years of sales, they'd have either (a) a healthy "rainy day" fund, which would allow them to better survive a downturn or personal life difficulties that intrude (and make it easy for them to, say, refund money to customers whose orders they can't easily fill, or otherwise spend money on customer service); or (b) sufficient cash flow to have an employee, even a part-timer, who could step in to do more work when the boss is overwhelmed by other matters?

Game manufacturers face the same issues. For years, publishers were not charging enough, and the result was that they were hanging by a thread -- and it just took a light breeze to throw a small company into a domino-like wave of cascading problems. Lacking a sufficient margin for error, one problem (say, a personal health issue that makes one book late) would lead to another (distributors hold off on paying for old bills because don't have something new that you won't send them until they pay up), would lead to another (a new product can't go to press because you don't have money for the down payment, and your credit never was healthy enough from past profit to have a bank line of credit or net 30 terms from the printer), and another (more late product), and another (unhappy freelancers waiting for payment on publication, whose unhappiness is communicated to other freelancers, who are reluctant to work with you, keeping other projects from completion), and so on. The result is often a business that goes into a coma, if it doesn't simply close.

It's nice to get a cheap price online. However, in most cases I fear people are supporting unviable business plans; getting it cheap today means someone pays the price in the future. Someone will be left holding the bag, sooner or later -- customers, suppliers, banks and creditors, the owner of the business, or most likely all of the above -- when a light breeze of misfortune blows through the neighborhood. There appears to be a high rate of turnover (businesses closing, new ones sprouting up) in the online discount retailer area, probably because an effective discounting model requires huge levels of working capital (in the vein of Amazon.com or Walmart), and the typical discounter is starting from an investment level where capital is almost negligible (and appears unneeded, due to the illusory cheapness of starting a business on the web) -- a situation where you have to have high profit margins in order to fund growth, or build a capital reserve for cyclical downturns, internally. But by discounting, those margins are thrown away, in the belief that the discounting is necessary to attract business.

I don't know anything about Talon's situation other than what I've read in this thread, and I do wish them the best. I'd really be happy, though, if they found that they could charge full retail (or something close to it), rather than discounting, and they could attract and retain customers by means of the sterling customer service for which they so long were known on these boards. And I'd really be happy if not discounting meant that they had a lot more financial stability and security, to help them continue to offer the level of customer service that people need, and to take better care of their own personal financial future (like, a healthy SEP-IRA for retirement, decent health insurance, etc.).
 

Update: Thanks, Paladin/Paladinwife!

Thanks to the efforts of Paladin & Paladinwife, they've managed to bring my situation to Talon's attention, and I've received the lion's share of my refund, with the rest to follow soon.

So, contact Paladin & Paladinwife if you've got an order long overdue. If you've just placed an order, be patient.

Also, realize that not all the delays will be Talon's fault. Remember, he's just a mom-and-pop store, so he may be getting shafted by the distributors. Maybe some of the delays are the distributors not rushing to fill out the orders for what is, when you get down to it, one small store (compared to a chain of stores, for instance).

So give it a month. His discounts really are great, and he's a great guy, but he's being pushed from multiple directions.
 

If the man has time to post frequently on Nutkinland, he has time to answer email or post a notice on the website.

Actually I'm kinda skeptical of the claims that he posts frequently on Nutkinland. I haven't been over there for about two weeks, but I haven't seen him there in months.

Friendship is wonderful, but business is business. Not good to mix the two. IMO, of course.

Gotta agree with rounser, to me this sounds insane.

This thread has made me decide not to order from Talon Comics as well.

This thread has made me decide to order from Talon Comics the minute he's able to fill it. :)
 

WizarDru said:
While I agree to a point, the irony of you posting about how you won't be ordering Christmas presents from him and then presenting this right after was hard to ignore.

Call me dense if you like, but I don't see any irony. I buy Xmas presents for friends. Talon Comics is a business, and apparently one in trouble. The proprietor is not my friend, since I don't even know the guy. What's so ironic about that?

My comment about not mixing business & friendship was referencing all of the pleas not to complain about undelivered merchandise because he was a frequent poster here, once upon a time. If I had a friend in financial trouble, I might well give him some money outright. But I wouldn't buy something from him. See, a gift wouldn't have any strings, and a purchase does.

As I said in my original post, I wish Derek well, and hope his wife's medical problems are resolved happily.
 

Derek cannot get to these boards because ENW switched servers sometime in the past couple of months and since then he has been unable to get on it (he has a mac if that helps explain it more)...
And,just out of curiosity...is all of the flack about Derek and his store killing our new business...You do realize that we send the bags to you ourselves unless you have another product pending on the same order, and even then we can ship it seperately if requested....or would our fellow gamers prefer it if we were out on our own, perhaps we can offer both if truely necessary, but I don't want to take away from Derek, if possible, he's been a friend to us and set us up on his site at no cost, and did the site info all by himself in the middle of the night for weeks, so we could get our product out to all of you...please tell me that this is not going to keep you from ordering what we feel is a great product...
And, upon further reflection of previous statements, I am sorry that you have been unsatisfied by previous business dealing with Talon, but if you look around the EN board, I think you'll find more happy customers than non, and I'm willing to send a free fabric bag (not including mono) to anyone willing to give Derek another chance to please you as a customer.
If you are willing to try him again, or for the first time, e-mail me, and we'll get it done...I'll do this for the next 3 days...
Paladinwife
 



Buttercup said:


Not insane, just pragmatic. Hmm. And capitalistic, perhaps.:)

Evil capitalist pig! :D

Paladin, I think it would be better to wait until Talon can get through his backlog of orders and is back on his feet before sending him more orders. We don't want to bury him in stuff to do more than he is right now, after all, and if for some reason those new orders were to get messed up, it would just mean more jaded customers.
 

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