[OT] Why are so many Americans "overweight"

Interesting...

The British Crime Survey estimates there were 2,891,000 "violent crimes" in England and Wales from their 2001-2002 survey.

The United States National Crime Victimization Survey estimates 2,186,700 "violent crimes" in the year 2000.

I use quotes on "violent crimes" because the two surveys may not be using the same definition.

Make of this what you will.
 

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Dang, you brits sure have alot of crime... I'm gonna go get a hamburger, safe in knowing that no englishman with a club is gonna bean me on the way to McD's. =)

Grom
 

Re: fast food

Haffrung Helleyes said:
I've travelled a lot in Asia over the years and have noticed with dismay that as I see American fast food become popular there, I start seeing obese people in those countries where I never did before.

Go to Thailand and visit the malls -- you'll see fat Thai. Now, go to Laos and look for a fat Laotian. You won't find one. And no, the Laotians are not malnourished at all.
Better yet, look at that buddha statue in your living room. He seems a little on the heavy side, doesn't he? :)
 

OTOH murder rates in the USA, while they have fallen, still vastly exceed those in any other first world country, and that seems to be the case even for small-town USA, compared to small-town England, say. I don't think there's much doubt that guns are the reason for that...
Except that the rate of non-gun murders in the US still dwarfs the total number of murders in most other countries.
 

The fact is that all societies go through changes as to what they consider to be "normal" weight and appearance. The last half of the twentieth century has been dominated by thin bodies and image. The first half was dominated by heavier. My father served in World War 2, and was amazed to see how much fuller-bodied European women were to their American counterparts. Right now, Europe is thin and America is heavy. Forty years from now it could be the exact opposite. It really does not do any good to make broad generalizations when each person is only looking though a fixed viewpoint.

I suggest people pick up some art books or go two a gallery or two and look at some of the historical painting. You are going to see many different periods where heavy was in vogue. I realize that the person who started the thread is probably only 25 and has a limited understanding of history, but what something is within a young person’s lifetime is not what it has always been, or what it will forever be.
 

Population (France): 58 million
Population (Paris): 2 million
Population (Paris+suburbs): 10 million

Hardly half the population I would say...
I must've half-remembered some older numbers. I was definitely referring to the greater Paris region (Ile-de-France); I'm sory if that wasn't clear. (Edit: Ile-de-France still only comprises 20% of France's population. Who knows what I misremembered...) I've found some more correct/up-to-date numbers from http://www.france.diplomatie.fr/france/gb/geo/popu01.html:

Half of the population occupy just over 10% of the surface area - the Paris area and lower part of the Seine valley, the Lyon area, the Rhône valley and the Mediterranean coast, the Loire, Garonne and Rhine valleys, the Brittany coast and industrial areas in Lorraine and the north.
 
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DarkJester said:
I wish I could gain a little weight. I'm 6.4 and 150 pounds. (Can you say, toothpick?)

You guys will never go METRIC ? After one of the MARS surveyour spacecraft crashed due to METRIC vs IMPERIAL conflicts I thought americans would "convert" into metric !!! :)

If you are overweight 150 pounds becomes 68 kg... great to make those numbers smaller... (6.4 would be what ?)

Feel thin ! Go Metric !!
 

As for the violence aspect of New York vs other cities... the comparison wouldnt stand up nowdays... NewYork cleaned up its act very well. Giuliani seems to have made a very good job there.

The problem isnt New York but the US as a whole... the number of Homicides (not crime) in the US per 100,000 people is many times higher than europe. Gun culture or youth violence ? Who knows... but in europe you do have a fair chance of getting pickpocketed or mugged... but not shot.

Mmadsen you have to compare the US to other Developed countries... Brazil is still much poorer. We have areas where violence is much worse than the US and we have other places where the furniture can stay outside without too much problem.
 

Fast food wouldn't be so big if we didn't have a need for it...if we didn't buy it, it wouldn't be huge.

So we buy it. We buy it because we're too busy to bother actually making a meal.

About the "on the go" lifestyle? This applies mostly to adults, but younger children-teens suffer from a greater problem of this. Most of this kinda assumes the Typical American Office Job, and there is a large variation in it.

Wake up: 7 AM. Get on the road by 7:30-8. No time to make a meal, barely time to get the kids up and on their way to school. Toaster pastries and microwave pancakes make the meal.

8-9: On the Road. Maybe you carpool...if one of your co-workers hasn't eaten, you may stop at a Krispy Kreme or something on the way...

9-12: Work. Most places, you can't eat while doing it. The most you get might be a bag of chips if you missed breakfast.

12-1: Lunch. Often a social opportunity with co-workers. Not enough time to commute home to make a meal, you eat out. Every day. Sometimes it's fast food (y'know, when there's a lunch meeting to get to), sometimes it's a big-meal-style (especially if you haven't eaten breakfast). Often, this will be the first meal you eat, and you're hungry enough to make it a big one.

1-5: Work. As above.

5-6: Drive home. You're pretty dead on your feet by then -- it's amazing how energy-sapping sitting in a cubicle for 8 hours can be.

6-7: Get home. Kids have been home for a while, and were hungry when they got off of school, so you left them $10 for pizza. If you're lucky, there's some there when you get back, and if you're luckier your kids are still home. More than likely, they've taken off to go elsewhere with their friends, leaving you to nuke a piece of Pepperoni and die on your feet.

7-10: You learn about how you should be exercising, how you should be with your kids, how all Arabians hate us with good cause, and how generally bad of a person you are. Kids get home, if it's a weekday. You've been on the go all day, and you're stressed enough from work and driving (driving has to be one of the most stressful activities you can do sitting down...every brake is inches away from avoiding a firey death) that you don't really have energy. You feel mentally drained, though physically you're not too bad. You may try to excersise or something, but, really, you can't get up much of a motivation.

10-12: You go to bed...too late, because you're still tired when you wake up.

For kids, it's even worse. They get up earlier, don't get home till about 10 (after extracirricular activities), and still have about 4 hours of homework...and that's before they get about 4-6 hours of sleep. They don't have time to feel drained -- they're never allowed to sit.

When you lather, rinse, reapeat for 365.25 days, this kind of lifestyle puts a wieght on you. And one week a year isn't enough to recover it.

People look forward to vacations because it gives them more of what they don't have and what their brain and body knows they need: down time. Time to think. Time to acclimate. Time to read, time to recover, time to panic about what you're going to do when you get back.

I'm not sure how different the European lifestyle is, if at all, but most people over here I talk to feel so drained...all the time...all their energy poured into making enough money to pay for rent and school bills with precious little left to appreciate the luxury apartment or educated children. You're not rich enough. You're not pretty enough. You're not allocating your time right.

Food is a comfort and a convienience, one of the few we can afford or enjoy without hating ourselves for wasting the 15 minutes it takes to scarf down a crab at Red Lobster.

I blame it mostly on the American cult of guilt and self-abuse. I could be way off base (it's just a theory I pulled outta my poo-shoot), but it seems right.

McD's isn't all to blame. We have to blame ourselves for giving McD's money because they're there, they're easy, and they give us instant gratification: eating.

Eating releases some pleasure chemicals of some sort. It's one of the few hits Americans get of any sort of pleasure that isn't drug-induced.

Yeah, I'm probably way off. But it looks tha way to me. :)
 

mmadsen said:

Except that the rate of non-gun murders in the US still dwarfs the total number of murders in most other countries.

Hm, interesting point. I guess you're just a murderous lot. :)
I can't help thinking that ease of access to murder has something to do with it, though. It doesn't seem to be quite as big a taboo in the US as in most other Western countries, either.
 

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